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I'm looking to purchase a new belt system -- inner belt with loop outside and outer belt with hook inside. With my currently holsters, it makes the most sense for me to go with a 1.75 outer belt. You'll see me reference using an inner belt only for IWB setup on items -- I don't forsee me using this much, but it is a consideration for those rare times I might.

On the farm/ranch/property whatever you want to call it, I currently use a 2.25 gi pistol belt. I just started using some velcro "keepers" (the 1/2 inch strips you get with APC power products) and my wilderness tactical 1.75 belt as an inner belt. But when I go off property, I'm using a 1.5" Wilderness Tactical 1,5 rigger belt. I have been using a Safariland 578 gls pro paddle, but 4 hours of moving/working and it starts to annoy my hip bone. Trying to position the 578 with belt loop attachment on a thick belt and working around bet loops.... yeah you get the idea. Annoying and quite honestly, TOO time consuming.

So I've been looking at different setups out there trying to decide where to go. I've sent a couple contact requests out and am awaiting replies before I "pull the trigger" on one. Here are my current considerations..


1) ZeroBravo Kilo Assault Belt system. http://zerobravo.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=54
This setup utilizes a g-hook inner belt and a cobra buckle out that is smaller than the belt width on the outer. It has a retention point sewn in the back for safety when working on platform (or assaulting from a helicopter, but the former will be my use ). The inner belt has a mesh liner on the inside for "breathability", and looks pretty comfortable. Unfortunately, this inner belt is not intended to ever be used on its own for concealed carry. I also worry about the mesh being snagged by small branches/thorns, but only the very top/bottom would be exposed. Also, the design offsets the inner and outer buckles so no overlap. Not liking the price, however.
:EDIT: Clarification from Todd @ ZeroBravo - while the inner belt is not intended to be used as a load bearing belt, but will function just fine for IWB holser/mag setup

2) Volund Gearworks -- http://store.volundgearworks.com/index. ... works.html
I've requested contact to see if they'll do a custom 1.75 cobra belt to match up with the with their 1.75 Atlas g-hook liner belt. The custom work would be a 1.75 width, and adding either a retention loop, or sewn in D-ring/V-ring for rigger style. (they only offer 1.5" cobra belt, or 2" battle betls). I also like their use of the smaller cobra buckles. They have a good reputation from what I've read... but I doubt they'll bite on this one.
:EDIT: Response from Volund - their materials they use are not "load/rescue rated", and due to work volume they have to pass on most all custom work

3) G-Code Contact series operator belt - http://www.tacticalholsters.com/product ... SG001.html
This is another nice little setup, with g-hook inner 1.75 belt and cobra outer with D-ring option. I've heard the inner belt is kind of flimsy though, not really suitable for a concealed carry. Much nicer price point overall. They outer belt also has a small key/glove attachment loop.

4) AWS LAB (Light Assault belt) http://www.awsin.com/proddetail.asp?prod=50725
This system utilizes a no buckle 2" inner belt. The outer 1.75 belt can add a D-ring (wrapped in paracord if you like). This setup takes customization to another level with add-ons you can purchase, the MOLLE panels you can add in are nice too. This also has a nice price point. Unfortunately, the 2" inner is a drawback if I wanted to run an IWB on the inner -- might be more comfortable though.

5) Jones Tactical - http://www.jonestactical.com/index.php? ... 2&Itemid=2
Can add hook to a 1.75 QD Rigger belt, with v-hook sewn in, and pickup the 1.75 inner belt. inner belt does not have a buckle. Also a nice price point with this system, and good reviews. Pretty long lead times currently.

6) Ronin Tactics Warriors belt - http://www.ronintactics.com/store/p28/W ... _Belt.html
This system utilizes a 2" inner belt ( no buckle ), and a 1.75 outer belt. The outer comes with D-ring cobra buckle, and 21 Columns of PALS for MOLLE. This setup is great as it allows direct transition for MOLLE gear if desired. Outer belt looks a little thick for threading some belt loops over, but I bet it can be managed ok.
:EDIT: Waiting for actual thickness measurement on outer belt. Their SENSHI belt has a stiffener, but doesn't come in black.

There are other options available obviously. Volund has the 2" battle belts with MOLLE, Crye Precision has the MRB (modular riggers belt) which is basically an inner belt loop out, and a MOLLE sleeve that fits over outter belt (which you can replace with your own riggers belt). The stormrider overlord and underlord combo is a nice setup too, if I were ok with 2".

I'm looking for something (black in color - although I might consider black multicam..) that can be worn for general use in public and wear my usual holsters with. Using the inner/outer belt system will be more comfortable too, and has the added benefit when going to games (Mavs, Stars, Rangers), that I can just take off the outer belt, lock up my guns and good to go, not having to fiddle with remove holsters, mags, knives from my belt while in car. I also would prefer to have some type of rigger retention point.

Sorry for the rambling. I suppose another option I could pursue with regards to a 1.75 belt vs 2", is to convert what I can to tek lok. But I really think a 1.75 is what will fit me best right now. Thoughts and comments are appreciated.

That's way more research on belts than i have done, but my needs are simple - hold a gun in a holster and a spare mag or two. I usually get a stiff leather belt and I'm good.

my only concern would be the Velcro not sticking after periodic use

Loktite - I have a belt similar to those you posted, but slightly different. Not sure if it would be up your alley - so far its made a pretty good gun belt for me. http://www.amazon.com/Elite-Shooters-Co ... cobra+belt

vjallen75 wrote:my only concern would be the Velcro not sticking after periodic use

So far for my belt that isn't a problem. I've had it going on about a year, as my EDC.

I would love something like these belts, but, I have a germen shepherd that sheds like crazy. Velcro turns into a very efficient hair collector.

Don't worry about velcro. I conceal IWB using a raven phantom on a nylon "inner belt" that is a buckleless velcro. I have been wearing the same belt for about 2 years now, and it is showing very little signs of wear, and this is a cheap Blackhawk nylon belt. A good quality velcro like is on one of these expensive belt "systems" (Whatever that means) will last longer, I am certain.

Updated a few things in original post. At this point, I've narrowed it down to either the Zero Bravo Kilo Assaulter, or the Ronin Tactics Warrior belt. I'm not too keen on the ZeroBravo tag visible on back on the Assaulter belt though. The Gcode belt also their logo on front, but looks to be more easily covered up. The Kilo Assaulter looks to be the most comfortable.

Tyr Tactical is another highly recommended company, but their system is loop on the inside of outer belt. Their gunfighter belts with MOLLE webbing include a mesh spacer/pad similar to the Kilo Assaulter inner belt, but the idea is to be using an inner belt, so that doesn't really help me much. I did inquire about custom work of putting hook on inside of outer belt, also about doing a dual retention point belt like their tactical base belt. http://www.tyrtactical.com/products/lis ... equipment/

Rpenn57 wrote:That's way more research on belts than i have done, but my needs are simple - hold a gun in a holster and a spare mag or two. I usually get a stiff leather belt and I'm good.

I'm of the same mind. I guess if I was employed as a tactical door-kicker, I might feel differently. But 99% of the time, a decent leather gun belt with a decent leather holster serves my needs very well.....mostly OWB. For those times when I don't want to scuff up the leather, a Wilderness Tactical instructor's belt (5 row stitching) and a Safariland 6378 ALS with the included 567BL belt loop works just fine. I don't care if the plastic gets scraped up, and the belt more than adequately holds the weight of a Glock 17 with a 19 round mag, and a couple of backup 19 round mags. So the weight of my G19 or G43 are easy. If the world is such that I need to be more "geared up" than that, maybe I should be in a different part of it.

I have been considering a Sam Browne Rig for general outdoor use.

I started with a g.i. pistol belt. Moved to a Sam browne, then I found "the wilderness" 5 stitch 1.75". Works for everything. Even holds my britches up fairly well. They'll re-do the velcro for $15, and it's American made. I'm sure they'd even put some grommets in if you asked........I'd do it myself, I like the old leather 1911 holster too.

vjallen75 wrote:my only concern would be the Velcro not sticking after periodic use

I don't know those above, but I got velcro on comptac belt and V-clips in 2010 and my concern is getting them to come loose after they stick. I have to use both feet and all my muscles, and put my back muscles to work to pry their V-clip off the velcro

Of course that's a completely different system