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I own a business but have elected to insert 30.07 into my employee handbook because we are a service company and do not want to upset customers by technicians showing up with a weapon OC'd. However, if my employees are eligible, I will pay for them to get their license. But, customers are hard to come by so I prefer not to lose them over OC.

Now, with that said, myself and my wife both OC in the office and I want to know if I can give my office personnel permission to OC within the office as well. We do not have customers come into the office and only mail man and an occasional vendor. However, we have had some people move into the spaces on both sides of us that make some of my office staff uneasy.

RPBrown wrote:I own a business but have elected to insert 30.07 into my employee handbook because we are a service company and do not want to upset customers by technicians showing up with a weapon OC'd. However, if my employees are eligible, I will pay for them to get their license. But, customers are hard to come by so I prefer not to lose them over OC.

Now, with that said, myself and my wife both OC in the office and I want to know if I can give my office personnel permission to OC within the office as well. We do not have customers come into the office and only mail man and an occasional vendor. However, we have had some people move into the spaces on both sides of us that make some of my office staff uneasy.

I would say that since it is your business, and OC in the office would not effect your customer base, then I don't see any problem with it. Then your service personnel would only have to CC when out in the field and OC when at the office. I don't think most employees would have a problem with that JMHO.

Edit: You can simply change the employee hand book to reflect the rules.

RPBrown wrote:I own a business but have elected to insert 30.07 into my employee handbook because we are a service company and do not want to upset customers by technicians showing up with a weapon OC'd. However, if my employees are eligible, I will pay for them to get their license. But, customers are hard to come by so I prefer not to lose them over OC.

Now, with that said, myself and my wife both OC in the office and I want to know if I can give my office personnel permission to OC within the office as well. We do not have customers come into the office and only mail man and an occasional vendor. However, we have had some people move into the spaces on both sides of us that make some of my office staff uneasy.

Do your technicians work on your premises or in company owned vehicles? Because the 30.07 language is really irrelevant for other peoples property. You can't invoke 30.07 on premises that you don't own. Of course you can make it company policy not to open carry while working, but that doesn't require the 30.07 language.

Now to answer your original question...Yes, you can give employees permission to open carry on your property regardless of what signs or language you have in your handbook. They may request it in writing however, lest you change your mind and try to get them charged.

RPBrown wrote:I own a business but have elected to insert 30.07 into my employee handbook because we are a service company and do not want to upset customers by technicians showing up with a weapon OC'd. However, if my employees are eligible, I will pay for them to get their license. But, customers are hard to come by so I prefer not to lose them over OC.

Now, with that said, myself and my wife both OC in the office and I want to know if I can give my office personnel permission to OC within the office as well. We do not have customers come into the office and only mail man and an occasional vendor. However, we have had some people move into the spaces on both sides of us that make some of my office staff uneasy.

Wow, I want you for a boss...

You hiring?

Allow for CC and add a language in that effect to your HR worker handbook or limit it in writing for those who you trust.

I don't think that "inserting 30.07" into your employee handbook has any power in a legal sense. It would however make your company policy intentions known, even if it doesn't qualify as a "compliant" sign.

RPBrown wrote:Now, with that said, myself and my wife both OC in the office and I want to know if I can give my office personnel permission to OC within the office as well.

And to answer your question about letting office personnel OC within your office, I'd say

1)of course you can if they are licensed

and

2) I'm not sure if you can if they are not licensed

I've always pondered this and read through various codes to try to find this answer but have never found a satisfactory answer. In other words, If someone, such as the original poster, owns their own business and office building, shouldn't they be allowed to let his employees carry a weapon either openly or concealed whether they are licensed or not if they remain on his private property and it isn't a place that is specifically mentioned as a place where guns are prohibited by code?

I mean to me, if I am allowed to let someone who does not have LTC come into my living room and wear a six-shooter in their holster, shouldn't I be allowed to do the same with my business?

Ryan wrote:

RPBrown wrote:I own a business but have elected to insert 30.07 into my employee handbook because we are a service company and do not want to upset customers by technicians showing up with a weapon OC'd. However, if my employees are eligible, I will pay for them to get their license. But, customers are hard to come by so I prefer not to lose them over OC.

Now, with that said, myself and my wife both OC in the office and I want to know if I can give my office personnel permission to OC within the office as well. We do not have customers come into the office and only mail man and an occasional vendor. However, we have had some people move into the spaces on both sides of us that make some of my office staff uneasy.

Wow, I want you for a boss...

You hiring?

As a matter of fact, if you are an experienced A/C service tech, yes I am.

My field employees do drive company trucks so 30.07 is covered there as well

RPBrown wrote:As a matter of fact, if you are an experienced A/C service tech, yes I am.

Unfortunately, I'm not. I am looking to make a career move though. I can only hope my future boss is as 2A friendly as you are.

Our company opted to send out a notice to the employees stating that we respected their 2A rights and allowed licensed concealed carry but asked them to refrain from deliberately open carrying, for reasons similar to your's. It was sent out to all the store managers and has been included in the employee handbook.

This method allows us to still conceal carry, not have to worry if we accidently expose our firearm (while crawling around on equipment and such), and doesn't create a offense if an employee does accidently expose the firearm or remove a garment. It also doesn't take a lot of effort to change the policy to allow open carry later. In the future could just ignore employees who open carry and not make a big deal out of it since it doesn't carry any 30.07 legal weight.

We felt by asking the employees not to open carry was sufficient and didn't want to post or include the potential legal ramifications associated with the 30.07. Should we have any issues we can still verbally or contractually notify the employee without it affecting anyone else. In reality the CEO will likely fire the habitual offender and send him on his way.

I'm thinking that a 30.06 or 30.07 poster could grant exemptions to themselves or others since the signage is voluntary, but a 51% poster could not.

If you give effective consent for someone to OC, your consent overrides the 30.07 sign/card/document. It is only a crime for a license holder to open carry on a 30.07 property without effective consent.

I don't think you need any signage/documentation/handbook in order to allow open carry on premises. I will give you an example of that will make you go "oh yeah, I guess so" because it's so obvious, even before OC was legalized:

How many gun shops have you walked into with employees open carrying long before OC was legalized?

You're welcome.

rp_photo wrote:I'm thinking that a 30.06 or 30.07 poster could grant exemptions to themselves or others since the signage is voluntary, but a 51% poster could not.

If I'm not mistaken, 51% wouldn't apply to the owner/staff as we'd hope they aren't drinking, but regardless, I could've sworn I read something to that effect.