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Gun "ownership"

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:56 pm
by MrsFosforos
How does gun "ownership" apply to a married couple? We were at a gun show a while back and "I" bought a S&W he will use and a Beretta tomcat for me. Since we were buying both from the same dealer, we just ran them both through with me as the "buyer".

Is "what's mine is his and his is mine"? Or is there anything different about gun ownership in and of itself?

Along the same line - how does "gifting" a gun work (with the acknowlegement it is given to a qualified recipient)?

Re: Gun "ownership"

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:13 pm
by govnor
MrsFosforos wrote:How does gun "ownership" apply to a married couple? We were at a gun show a while back and "I" bought a S&W he will use and a Beretta tomcat for me. Since we were buying both from the same dealer, we just ran them both through with me as the "buyer".

Is "what's mine is his and his is mine"? Or is there anything different about gun ownership in and of itself?

Along the same line - how does "gifting" a gun work (with the acknowlegement it is given to a qualified recipient)?
Good question. I imagine because you live in the same place that if someone came to look, you are actually in possession of both guns. I don't know how the law applies with concealed carry.

As G. Gordon Liddy says... I can't own a gun because I'm a convicted felon (he was convicted in the Watergate scandal), but Mrs. Liddy CAN own a gun and if it happens to be on my side of the bed when a robber breaks in...so be it. No quotes because I can't remember the exact quote.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:19 pm
by longtooth
When you buy it in Texas w/ community property money the new posession becomes community property.
Legally it is yalls.
That means my wife owns her 2 & half of my 7.
I guess.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:28 pm
by MrsFosforos
longtooth wrote:When you buy it in Texas w/ community property money the new posession becomes community property.
Legally it is yalls.
That means my wife owns her 2 & half of my 7.
I guess.
Good answer!

I knew they would fall under community property but didn't know if there were any rules that applied to guns more specifically.

The other question was "gifting" to another person -- like a son or daughter or friend. Is there anything that needs to be done about tranfering "ownership" of the gun to another person if a gun is given as a gift?

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:32 pm
by KBCraig
Texas is a community property state. You each have 100% ownership in both guns so long as you're married, the same as with every other bit of marital property, including house and cars.

How you divvy things up at home is up to y'all... but experience tells me that the distaff half of the marriage generally gets whichever she wants, even if it changes from day to day. Or minute to minute. :grin:

I'd have done the purchase the same way, because it's easier with just one 4473 and one call to NICS.

Kevin

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:36 pm
by MrsFosforos
KBCraig wrote:Texas is a community property state. You each have 100% ownership in both guns so long as you're married, the same as with every other bit of marital property, including house and cars.

How you divvy things up at home is up to y'all... but experience tells me that the distaff half of the marriage generally gets whichever she wants, even if it changes from day to day. Or minute to minute. :grin:

I'd have done the purchase the same way, because it's easier with just one 4473 and one call to NICS.

Kevin
LOL! That's a good one! I would probably get away with that too!

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:09 pm
by AV8R
longtooth wrote: That means my wife owns her 2 & half of my 7.
I guess.
Rule #1 of Feminine Arithmetic.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:00 pm
by Wildscar
AV8R wrote:
longtooth wrote: That means my wife owns her 2 & half of my 7.
I guess.
Rule #1 of Feminine Arithmetic.
However if you ask a married woman the math is different. It would be half X2 that would bring the total to 7. :razz:

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:11 pm
by stevie_d_64
We need a legal clarification of the word "Y'all"... :lol:

Obviously, its the redneck contraction of the words "you" and "all"...

Almost a contradictory in terms, from a certain point of view...

But then again the community property issue here in Texas, whats hers is hers, and whats mine is hers... :shock: :cool:

Except for a few of the tupperware cups, and that old fondeux thing we got tuck up under the cabinets somewhere... ;-)

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:15 pm
by govnor
We need a legal clarification of the word "Y'all"...
You ain't a yankee are ya boy? Git a rope! Hehe.

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:45 am
by mrbug
My wife puts it this way; "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine".

Just wish it applied to the bills.

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:24 am
by phddan
Nothing wrong with gifting a gun. Got my 45-70 1895 that way from my wife for Christmas.
Couldn't wait for the grandkids to finish opening up their presents, so I could step out back test it out. :grin:
Also bought my sons first deer rifle for him when he wasn't old enough to buy one himself. He got to pick out the rifle and scope combo, we (wife and I) got to pay.

And for yall that don't understand that woman math, I've learned that if mama aint happy, aint nobody happy!! :razz: Just let em think what they want. :grin:

Dan

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:53 am
by MrsFosforos
phddan wrote: And for yall that don't understand that woman math, I've learned that if mama aint happy, aint nobody happy!! :razz: Just let em think what they want. :grin:

Dan
I like the way you guys do MATH! And, I'll bet your wives are happy as long as you keep remembering that golden rule!

About gifting - I didn't ask the question well enough and maybe should have posted it on a separate thread:
-- How long are we legally responsible for the ownership of a gun? What about a gun given to a kid who doesn't live at home anymore; or if we gave a gun to a friend and then it gets lost/stolen-- and later used in a subsequent crime?

Should we OR do we need to "transfer ownership on paper" of a gun? Like signing a car title over or transfering the ownership of a deed on a house? If the police come to our door one day and ask where is "gunX" - and we say, "We gave it away" -- is that enough?

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:28 am
by seamusTX
MrsFosforos wrote:Should we OR do we need to "transfer ownership on paper" of a gun?
Not according to federal or Texas law. In some states, that is required.
If the police come to our door one day and ask where is "gunX" - and we say, "We gave it away" -- is that enough?
It is, unless they can prove that you knowingly gave it to a prohibited person or were a conspirator in a crime. The burden of proof is on the prosecution.

- Jim

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:47 pm
by drinks
Y'all is second person PLURAL, has a pleasant,smooth sound, anyone you hear using it as singular is a yankee and a carpetbagger and likely uses the harsh sounding "Youze guys" to mean the same thing.
:shock: :roll: