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I'm not completely positive, but I don't think there is any sort of vetting process other than to provide proof that a business derives at least 51% of their sales from the on-site consumption of alcohol to the TABC. When any business that will sell alcohol applies for their license to sell alcohol, whether for on-site consumption or not, and it is approved I think they are sent a packet with all the signs and it is up to the business to post the appropriate signs for their business depending upon their license.bdgyeah wrote:That's interesting that you saw that inside the secure area of the airport where no firearms are allowed. Do have a question though. Is there a vetting process for businesses that request a 51% sign, or is it granted without any questions asked? I ask this because I've seen a couple places with 51% signs that I find very hard to believe that they qualify.
Technically the 51% signs are only for 46.05a prohibited weapons in locations deriving over 51% of their sales from alcohol for on-premises consumption. Small knives and nail clippers are not "prohibited weapons" under 46.05a, so you can carry them in a 51% location if TSA lets you through with them.bayou wrote:I am not trying to figure out the intent of the person who posted the sign. But the 51% signs are not only for handguns only but all concealed weapons. I don't know if at this time small knives such as swiss army knives are still allowed through security. TSA seems to flip flop on this.
I believe that would be incorrect. 51% covers all weapons. I think you are probaly thinking of another sign we all love to hate.ScottDLS wrote:Technically the 51% signs are only for 46.05a prohibited weapons in locations deriving over 51% of their sales from alcohol for on-premises consumption. Small knives and nail clippers are not "prohibited weapons" under 46.05a, so you can carry them in a 51% location if TSA lets you through with them.bayou wrote:I am not trying to figure out the intent of the person who posted the sign. But the 51% signs are not only for handguns only but all concealed weapons. I don't know if at this time small knives such as swiss army knives are still allowed through security. TSA seems to flip flop on this.
You can legally carry a concealed rifle in a 51% location (but not in the airport!).
Nope the 51% sign covers "prohibited weapons".steveincowtown wrote:I believe that would be incorrect. 51% covers all weapons. I think you are probaly thinking of another sign we all love to hate.ScottDLS wrote:Technically the 51% signs are only for 46.05a prohibited weapons in locations deriving over 51% of their sales from alcohol for on-premises consumption. Small knives and nail clippers are not "prohibited weapons" under 46.05a, so you can carry them in a 51% location if TSA lets you through with them.bayou wrote:I am not trying to figure out the intent of the person who posted the sign. But the 51% signs are not only for handguns only but all concealed weapons. I don't know if at this time small knives such as swiss army knives are still allowed through security. TSA seems to flip flop on this.
You can legally carry a concealed rifle in a 51% location (but not in the airport!).
PC §46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club....
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(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.
PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
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(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed or carried in a shoulder or belt holster, on or about the license holder’s person:
(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;
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(k) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (b)(1) that the actor was not given effective notice under Section 411.204, Government Code.
I see the real 51% signs at DFW all the time. In the bars that don't sell much food. They have to post due to TABC regs, but they're pretty much covered by the law against carrying in the secure area anyway. The one at the non-alcohol selling snack store has the same amount of validity it would have outside the airport...none.Glockster wrote:Been in the air and just no getting back to the forum. It was what was supposed to be this sign:
https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/publicatio ... pons51.pdf
But they just had a B&W copy that frankly looked like a copy of a copy kinda thing. I actually thought of asking the single person working the register, but as her English was really not that good I considers the potential for me missing my flight because she interpreted something incorrectly and thought I'd said that I was carrying a gun.
I am confused by some of the above because like Scott, I read the sign and the statute to be covering "handguns" only.
Added - and again, they sell no alcohol whatsoever. It is my usual departure gate so will take a pic the next time as well, and see if I can find their resale & sales tax permits for the official name that can be looked up.
