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President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:54 pm
by dhoobler

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:45 am
by RoyGBiv
Yuge! :hurry:

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:01 am
by Abraham
Insults framed as questions by the media, personal attacks couched as questions by the media, absolute lies characterized as "so-called" fake news by the media is some of the nonsense President Trump addressed while the media squirmed was a refreshing bit of fun to witness.

While I doubt his rebuttal of the media et al. at his latest news conference will induce the them to be honest, it may give them something to consider before they decide to generate more fake-news.

We'll see...

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:24 am
by The Annoyed Man
They spent the last 6 months comparing him to Hitler, and they thought he hadn't noticed?

I'm enjoying the hell out of seeing them put in their place. When the 4th Estate has become the 5th Column, it's time to treat them like a 5th Column, and not the 4th Estate. He owes them nothing. They've been nothing but partisan hacks, and they've thrown their professionalism out the window - if they ever had any to begin with.

Maybe once they come to realize that he's not going to give them a thing until they regain their professionalism, they'll regain their professionalism. Then his news conferences will be much less confrontational.

If I were him, I would add one other feature to his management of the press......... You publish something given to you by a leaker, you get frozen out. You get invited back in after publishing a front page op-ed acknowledging your wrong, and saying that you'll do better going forward.

If the leak is something that NEEDS to be leaked because it protects the republic to leak it, particularly if The People are aroused into demanding action, then the press will close ranks, and the polls will reflect The People's support of the press. The president will alter course.

But it is obvious right now that Trump is talking directly to The People, shutting the press out of the loop. Rassmussen has Trump at 55%. His tactic is working, and the press will eventually change tactic or die.

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:44 am
by dhoobler
This is the NYT headline for their story about President Trump's press conference:

In 77 Chaotic Minutes, Trump Defends ‘Fine-Tuned Machine’
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/p ... odayspaper

What they fail to understand is that the chaos is amonsgt themselves, not with President Trump.

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:53 am
by Jusme
The Annoyed Man wrote:They spent the last 6 months comparing him to Hitler, and they thought he hadn't noticed?

I'm enjoying the heck out of seeing them put in their place. When the 4th Estate has become the 5th Column, it's time to treat them like a 5th Column, and not the 4th Estate. He owes them nothing. They've been nothing but partisan hacks, and they've thrown their professionalism out the window - if they ever had any to begin with.

Maybe once they come to realize that he's not going to give them a thing until they regain their professionalism, they'll regain their professionalism. Then his news conferences will be much less confrontational.

If I were him, I would add one other feature to his management of the press......... You publish something given to you by a leaker, you get frozen out. You get invited back in after publishing a front page op-ed acknowledging your wrong, and saying that you'll do better going forward.

If the leak is something that NEEDS to be leaked because it protects the republic to leak it, particularly if The People are aroused into demanding action, then the press will close ranks, and the polls will reflect The People's support of the press. The president will alter course.

But it is obvious right now that Trump is talking directly to The People, shutting the press out of the loop. Rassmussen has Trump at 55%. His tactic is working, and the press will eventually change tactic or die.

Exactly,
The MSM has been playing "gotcha" with no substance since November. They still can't admit how wrong they were, nor admit that John/Jane Q. Public has no use for them. Trump has bypassed the media at every turn to get his message to the public, which doesn't allow them the opportunity to spin it to fit their agenda. They hate that, by the way. I hope Trump continues to have monthly marathon news conferences. The public is so happy to have a POTUS, who talks "to them" rather than "down to them". As well as having one fulfill his pledges. The press will eventually begin to air, and print the truth, or like you said, die a slow,painful death.

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:05 pm
by Abraham
After eight years of fawning and gushing over our former leftist President, who they went out of their way to lie for are caught repeatedly lying against our current President.

His pugnacity isn't something they can handle. They're not only in shock regarding the election, but that they can be so effectively shut out. Surprise!

President Trump mentioned the public holds them in lower regard than congress.

They need to listen and change their lying ways.

Until President Trump was elected, I thought twitter was something only narcissists and high school girls used and found myself doing a disgusted eye roll anytime I heard the word twitter.

Now, I'm glad it exists as it allows President Trump to completely by pass and neuter the 5th column.

Hallelujah!

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:54 am
by dale blanker
The Annoyed Man wrote: If the leak is something that NEEDS to be leaked because it protects the republic to leak it, particularly if The People are aroused into demanding action, then the press will close ranks, and the polls will reflect The People's support of the press. The president will alter course.
:iagree:Ah yes, so the press can be useful as a leak reporter.
That possibility distinguishes our system from the authoritarian ones. Let's not lose sight of that benefit and dismiss the press completely.

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:59 am
by The Annoyed Man
dale blanker wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote: If the leak is something that NEEDS to be leaked because it protects the republic to leak it, particularly if The People are aroused into demanding action, then the press will close ranks, and the polls will reflect The People's support of the press. The president will alter course.
:iagree:Ah yes, so the press can be useful as a leak reporter.
That possibility distinguishes our system from the authoritarian ones. Let's not lose sight of that benefit and dismiss the press completely.
Thank you for trying to twist my meaning into implying something I did not say.

Deep Throat did the nation a service. NONE of what the press is doing to Trump today rises to that level. It's not that Trump is a perfect human being, or that I'm his biggest fan. I'm NOT. But there is a difference between the press reporting on the unlawful behavior of a presidency on the one hand (a standard that they NEVER invoked against Obama, even when it was blatantly obvious), and the press being actively engaged in taking down a president, by taking "stories" that mean nothing, and implying that they mean everything, simply because their party of preference lost an election.

What Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward did took tremendous courage. What these addled farts-for-brains are doing today doesn't even come close. Bernstein and Woodward elevated their profession, and the American People responded accordingly. What the cretins of the MSM today are doing debases the press, and guess what....... the people are responding accordingly, and no longer trust the "news" media. They have themselves to blame.

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:08 pm
by dale blanker
The Annoyed Man wrote:
dale blanker wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote: If the leak is something that NEEDS to be leaked because it protects the republic to leak it, particularly if The People are aroused into demanding action, then the press will close ranks, and the polls will reflect The People's support of the press. The president will alter course.
:iagree:Ah yes, so the press can be useful as a leak reporter.
That possibility distinguishes our system from the authoritarian ones. Let's not lose sight of that benefit and dismiss the press completely.
Thank you for trying to twist my meaning into implying something I did not say.

Deep Throat did the nation a service. NONE of what the press is doing to Trump today rises to that level.
I don't see much difference between Nixon's Deep Throat and Flynn's. In both cases, the press received confidential info from the Intelligence community and as a result there was at least one less lier in the White House. It seems to me that the leak and the subsequent reporting did the Vice President a favor and, I hope, the President too.

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:07 pm
by Skiprr
The Annoyed Man wrote:What Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward did took tremendous courage. What these addled farts-for-brains are doing today doesn't even come close. Bernstein and Woodward elevated their profession, and the American People responded accordingly. What the cretins of the MSM today are doing debases the press, and guess what....... the people are responding accordingly, and no longer trust the "news" media. They have themselves to blame.
Amen. TAM, BTW, I have it on good authority that CERN is closing its particle accelerator as no longer cost-effective. It seems they have discovered an origin of particle acceleration that, over the past three months, has become a sustained source of rotational forces even greater than the Large Hadron Collider.

That source? Walter Cronkite's grave in Kansas City.

I've certainly never experienced anything like this. Combined with the rapid changes with the internet and digital delivery over the past decade or two, I think it's fair to say that the world has never experienced anything like this.

And it isn't as if only a select few media sources have suddenly gone absolutely bat-wacky crazy...I'd estimate that as much as 95% of the top 50% (in terms of audience count) of the 4th Estate has.

Because of an AP piece picked up by Fox News, and my curiosity about some initial responses to it, I spent over two hours yesterday researching over 70 different sources to try to get to the bottom of media claims about POTUS signing an overturn of the Stream Protection Rule. You can read about it here: http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... &start=384. The AP headline was "Trump Overturns Bill on Coal Mining Debris," and multiple media sources piled on in flat-out misrepresenting how the overturn of the Stream Protection Rule came about, implying if not outright saying that POTUS was, unilaterally, repealing an environmental protection law that had already been on the books for years. But it was never a "bill" at all, and the overturn wasn't striking down any standing regulation. In fact, it had been slammed through under the Obama administration last December 19, not requiring a vote by Congress or input from any Congressional committees, addressed no existing environmental problems, and slid into effect on January 19, the day before Trump took the oath of office. Congress filed a CRA to overturn it on January 30 as House Joint Resolution 38 of the 115th Congress with 71 cosponsors. At record speed, by February 2 it had passed both the House and Senate with zero amendments and a bipartisan vote. That was two weeks before POTUS did nothing more than a ceremonial signing.

Yet outlets from the AP and Reuters to the NYT and CNN spun and painted it as a "Trump issues order abolishing environmental protection law to allow coal mining to dump waste into streams that feed water sources for millions of Americans" story. And that is no doubt what millions of Americans believe today. After all, who's going to sit down and take the time to research every single claim from the nation's largest news sources?

Perhaps a new low that I caught yesterday was Esquire Magazine. I seldom, if ever, hit their site, but when I did, here's what I found:

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Yep. Every single mention of the phrase "President Trump" has an asterisk after the word "President." Esquire leaves alone "the president," "Trump," and "Donald Trump." A major magazine qualifying every mention of the duly elected and sitting President of the United States. I'm speechless.

It's unprecedented, and the schism and dishonesty seems to be progressing at an alarming speed. The efforts of a few to actively foment civil unrest is being augmented--even supported or promoted--by the blatant bias of the mainstream media and the total breakdown of objective journalism. The situation has me very worried.

And our old friend Walter is picking up a few RPMs every day....

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:36 pm
by The Annoyed Man
This was an instructive blog post as to what is happening between President Trump (*) and the MSM: https://regiehammblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/17/773/
I once watched an American president stand on a press conference stage and say (with a straight face) that American surgeons were cutting out people’s tonsils based on pay charts. AND NO ONE QUESTIONED IT! I was like, “WHAT?!?! They’re doing what?!?! Is that true!?!?” I’d actually still like to know.

If what (then) president Barack Obama said in that press conference was true, it would’ve been the biggest medical scandal in American history.

But instead of someone standing up and asking what I was yelling at the the TV screen, “Mr president, are you asserting that there is a systematic and concerted effort by American surgeons to mutilate people for money?” it was just taken for granted to be true and everyone went about their business. Really?

This was part of President Obama’s pitch to the American people for the ACA. And instead of journalistic curiosity, we got compliance and even complicity. And Mr Obama got press questions like, “what has been the most enchanting part of the presidency for you, so far?” Again …really?

If you watched (NOW) president Donald Trump’s recent press conference and got clammy hands and heart palpitations, fearing the free world is in jeopardy, I understand. But if you couldn’t see how someone would be standing up cheering it on …then you have no idea what’s happening right now. And what’s BEEN happening for a while. Clearly, a lot of people don’t.

The press hasn’t done its job. We all know which side everyone is on. It’s just that one side refuses to be honest with us. George Stephanopoulos is a Democrat operative. We all know this. He has talked openly about being on strategy calls with Democrats right before going to air. That’s fine, George. But just admit it. Don’t try to sell me on your “objectivity.” Sean Hannity may be a tool, but he is at least being honest about who he is.
There's a lot more. The nation's media haven't behaved honorably and truthfully since Reagan was President. They are now reaping the full measure of the public's disdain which they sowed for themselves over the past 30+ years.

Financial reporters are required by the SEC to reveal whenever they have a personal stake in the story on which they are reporting. This law exists to protect the public consumer of financial news from dishonest reporting which influences an outcome which will benefit the reporter. We do that for mere money, but we won't do it for something so precious as protecting the Constitution?

I think it is LONG past the time when any political reporter - regardless of the topic - should be required to reveal his/her voting record at either the top or bottom of the article. Then readers can decide for themselves if they think they are reading truth, and they can be protected from being deliberately misinformed be dishonest reportage. Right now, under the false claim of journalistic neutrality, which literally EVERYONE knows is a big fat lie (even the deniers know it is a lie), reporters/editors get away with acting as the propaganda arms of the political parties. And since 80% or more of newsroom personnel self-identify as democrats, GUESS which party gets the most free and favorable propaganda? Meanwhile, guess which party sets the most UNfovorable coverage and negative propaganda? Here's another thing that used to be rare, and is now increasingly common: the reporter becoming part of the story.

It is no wonder that a large majority of Americans no longer trust the nation's media to be truthful with them. The media have EARNED that mistrust. Yes, there is an important part for media to play in keeping politicians accountable......but who keeps the media accountable? Police themselves? PPPHHHHHTTTTTT! That'll be the day. :roll:

No. Gov't can't hold the media accountable because of the 1st Amendment. However, THE PEOPLE can certainly hold the media accountable. And what you are seeing when President Trump talks over the media's heads to the listeners in their living rooms is him saying this to The People: "You can't trust the media any longer to be truthful, so start holding them accountable. Stop buying their print rags, and stop giving them website hits. Hit them in the only place they'll listen - their WALLETS. Ridicule them the rest of the time, like I do. Only visit the websites and buy the publications of news outlets that report in good faith, without a political agenda. Then maybe some accountability will be restored to the nation's newsrooms.......because right now, they are a den of vipers."

ONCE in a while, you get some objectivity, but it is so rare as to actually stand out as the exception. CBS anchor John Dickerson had this to say during an interview with Hugh Hewitt:
HH: Well, he [Trump] did. He made some incredible misstatements yesterday about, for example, the largest victory. And I just played Jake Tapper running through them, and it upsets people like you and me who are used to being held accountable for every word we say on the air, on this show, on your show. We’re always, you know, if we get something wrong, we have to correct it. He never corrects anything that he says, and he says lots of wrong things. But that one comment, they don’t trust you anymore, is a summation of where we are in America, because I really do think Manhattan-Beltway elites have lost the country. They’ve lost it. There’s just no confidence in, I’m not going to say us, because I am neither in nor of the Beltway-Manhattan media elite. I live in California still. But what do you think of that? Is it true?

JD: Well, yes. I mean, yes, it’s true, and it’s not because of anything obviously Donald Trump did. The press did all that good work ruining its reputation on its own, and we can have a long conversation about what created that. Part of it, though, is what you mentioned about the local weather report, which is to say a lot of hysterical coverage about every little last thing that doesn’t warrant it. Having said that, it doesn’t mean, and in fact, it most explicitly does not mean that the press just throws out the standards.
All emphasis above is mine.

The media flat out deserves the scorn they get these days. It's a shame that it has to get to this point before someone like a CBS news anchor personality can finally admit that the press is deserving of that scorn.

* President, IN SPITE OF what the democrat media (but I repeat myself) wish......

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:44 pm
by G26ster
TAM, you really need your own blog! Your writing is right up there with what journalism should be - the complete and unvarnished truth. :thumbs2:

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:32 pm
by The Annoyed Man
G26ster wrote:TAM, you really need your own blog! Your writing is right up there with what journalism should be - the complete and unvarnished truth. :thumbs2:
If I may be permitted a little puffery, I present you with http://www.annoyedman.com. :mrgreen:

Re: President Donald Trump Press Conference (2/16/2017)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:12 pm
by G26ster
The Annoyed Man wrote:
G26ster wrote:TAM, you really need your own blog! Your writing is right up there with what journalism should be - the complete and unvarnished truth. :thumbs2:
If I may be permitted a little puffery, I present you with http://www.annoyedman.com. :mrgreen:
Who knew? Not me. Good work! :mrgreen: