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After the major hail storm last week, they are canvasing the area. Sounds like the guy's property was posted, but this is probably not gonna end well for the homeowner. Hope the solicitor makes a full recovery.

http://www.fox4news.com/news/246385937-story

No judgements, but I would imagine the lawyers/prosecutors presenting affidavits from a couple dozen folks that the solicitor met that day. "So he peacefully visited all of these other homes, some were women alone in the home, and he picked you?"

I also suspect trouble for the homeowner although possibly not a conviction. Huge wide grey area unless a video pops up somewhere.

Doesn't look good for the homeowner.

Why does a 55-60 year old woman have purple hair?

I've spoken with many solicitors. None made me feel the need to use force against them. This is where home video surveillance is useful...

I don't think this will end well for the home owner. Hopefully the solicitor makes a full recovery.

I don't think the shooting is justified. However, when does a no trespassing sign mean just that? I know mine is violated as if is not there. LEOs seem to think it is not worth bothering with to cite a violater. When I have been able to get a LEO to respond, the most they have none is to say " bad boy" don't do it again. The LEO has actually sided with the violater the few times the situation has been serious enough ( in my eyes) to call the Sheriff.

He has a Ring Door Bell and if working it should have some video on it. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Just playing Devil's advocate here, but the homeowner reportedly had numerous "no trespassing" signs posted on his property. So seeing someone advance past those signs, the homeowner may have rightly been on alert. They don't know the extent of any potential threat posed by this intruder, but they do know that the person willfully violated the law to enter their property. I'm not sure whether the homeowner could have legally drawn a gun at the intruder at that point (threat of deadly force), but if they did, the solicitor may have then reacted in a way that the homeowner interpreted as a threat.

I would not have reacted like the homeowner in this case, but then again I don't have "no trespassing" signs plastered all over my lawn either.

carlson1 wrote:He has a Ring Door Bell and if working it should have some video on it. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

If he subscribed to the remote storage there may be video. Mine does 30 seconds on movement. I have not tested it to see how long it would stay on with a longer movement window. It may possibly be able to provide one or the other some justice.

Has anyone proven this guy WAS a real roofing guy? I mean, what better cover could you have when looking for unattended homes?
Knock on the door. Someone answers. He goes on with a made up sales gig. Looks legit.
No one answers...... walk in and take what you want unless you find a guy with a gun in there?

Wonder boy wrote:Has anyone proven this guy WAS a real roofing guy? I mean, what better cover could you have when looking for unattended homes?
Knock on the door. Someone answers. He goes on with a made up sales gig. Looks legit.
No one answers...... walk in and take what you want unless you find a guy with a gun in there?

Assuming that he has a tax record, that will be pretty simple to get to the bottom of. Probably one of hte first things investigators will check. Background checks on both of them happened within minutes, I would assume.

Wonder boy wrote:Has anyone proven this guy WAS a real roofing guy? I mean, what better cover could you have when looking for unattended homes?
Knock on the door. Someone answers. He goes on with a made up sales gig. Looks legit.
No one answers...... walk in and take what you want unless you find a guy with a gun in there?

I am sure the police validated that when they interviewed him at the hospital. It's pretty simple, if you don't want to talk to a solicitor at your door, don't answer it.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:Just playing Devil's advocate here, but the homeowner reportedly had numerous "no trespassing" signs posted on his property. So seeing someone advance past those signs, the homeowner may have rightly been on alert. They don't know the extent of any potential threat posed by this intruder, but they do know that the person willfully violated the law to enter their property. I'm not sure whether the homeowner could have legally drawn a gun at the intruder at that point (threat of deadly force), but if they did, the solicitor may have then reacted in a way that the homeowner interpreted as a threat.

I'm not suggesting it in a suburban neighborhood, but it seems to be justified to threaten deadly force to encourage trespassers to leave.


Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.


Sec. 9.04. THREATS AS JUSTIFIABLE FORCE. The threat of force is justified when the use of force is justified by this chapter. For purposes of this section, a threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor's purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.

Video would help clear up a lot of the he said, she said.

I have noticed that people soliciting at my door will ring the door bell and then back up away from the front door....including a roofing contractor this weekend soliciting free bids after the rain last week. Seems like a good practice if you are going door to door.

Last night I got a call....supposedly from a "roofing inspector" "we're going to be in your area, we'll do a free inspection". Would not listen to me, would not take no for an answer. I finally hung up on her after loudly saying "NO". My daughter said "I wonder what she would have said if you would have told her that if they show up on your roof you'll shoot 'em. Think she would have heard you?" We laughed, knowing I would call the police who are across the street before I'd do anything like that....I'd really rather not deal with the blood and paperwork.