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Some suggestions here on how to beat the Tueller drill:

http://www.suarezinternational.com/evasionfootwork.html

Excerpt:

The concept of getting off the "x" allows the good guy to evade an onrushing contact weapon attacker for a moment in time. This allows the good guy to deploy the gun and get a couple of shots into the bad guy. This can happen at any distance. Predominantly, it is within 5 yards.

The issue quickly becomes "what if those shots didn't work immediately". The good guy has moved off the line of attack, but although he may have been shot already, the bad guy begins to adjust to track him. Given how quickly the attacker can cover ground (7 yards 1.5 seconds, 5 yards 1.0 seconds, 3 yards .75 seconds, 2 yards...well, you get the idea) even if you evade the initial attack, the distance is now so close that he can reach you as soon as he adjusts his line. No ammo fired from any weapon will drop a man in his tracks with any certainty. Certainly not enough to forget about back up plans. We want to answer the question - what if I've hit him and he's still coming?

You certainly don't want to stand there looking at your museum piece bar-b-que gun wondering why the guru was wrong!

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That was a good link, thanks.

Here is one that includes some video of footwork and distraction.

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I've taken some courses from John Farnam (http://defense-training.com), and he is a big proponent of a) getting off the line of force/attack, and b) keep scanning and moving. This is regardless of the distance and weapon your opponent uses.

He teaches to move laterally as you draw, stop and then (if firing is still warranted) "zipper" the bad guy (four shots along midline from lower abdomen to upper chest), move laterally again while scanning for other threats, and if the bad guy is still a threat, stop and zipper him again. Repeat as necessary. (Same-same with rifle or shotgun).

Of course if there is cover handy, use it. And nothing holy about "four" shots, it's just a compromise between getting several good hits while not staying in one place long enought for bad guy to get a bead on you.

His courses give you a good bit of exercise!

As far as I have researched, I think most if not all of the big name instructors teach basically the same priniciples -- keep moving, keep scanning. Suarez's article advocates more details and option than I learned from John's basic courses. I don't know if that is desirable or not, but something to think about.


elb

ELB wrote:He teaches to move laterally as you draw, stop and then (if firing is still warranted) "zipper" the bad guy (four shots along midline from lower abdomen to upper chest), move laterally again while scanning for other threats, and if the bad guy is still a threat, stop and zipper him again. Repeat as necessary. (Same-same with rifle or shotgun).

I think one difference with Gabe is he does not advocate stopping to shoot. Rather his thinking is to keep moving while putting rounds on the BG.

While maybe not a big difference in style, it does change the dynamics.

TX Rancher wrote: I think one difference with Gabe is he does not advocate stopping to shoot. Rather his thinking is to keep moving while putting rounds on the BG.

Very difficult to do. Does he give lots of time providing "move and shoot" training?

Quotes from the article:

"No ammo fired from any weapon will drop a man in his tracks with any certainty."

Absolutely!

"You certainly don't want to stand there looking at your museum piece bar-b-que gun wondering why the guru was wrong!"

Ugh! I can do without the editorializing. Like he said, no firearm (certainly a handgun....museum piece or modern wondernine) can be counted on to stop.