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10-Year-Old Boy Locks Himself Inside Gun Safe
Tuesday , August 14, 2007



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WORCESTER, Mass. —

Gun safes are supposed to keep children out, but a 10-year-old boy managed to lock himself in.

Daniel Jancura was playing with a safe at a Sam's Club on Monday when he became trapped inside for at least 15 minutes before firefighters and store employees could get him out.

Daniel, his older brother and cousin came across a gun safe while shopping, and couldn't resist playing with the key pad on the lock. Somehow, they managed to press the right numbers and open the 575-pound safe.

Daniel crawled inside and the door locked behind him.

"I was pretty scared," said the Rutland boy. "It was hot."

When the other children couldn't get the safe to open again, they ran to find Laura Jancura, who had brought the boys shopping at the warehouse store.

Jancura said at first she couldn't believe her son was trapped inside the safe, which is 5 feet tall, 30 inches wide and 22 inches deep.

"My back was turned for five minutes," she said.

Deputy Fire Chief John F. Sullivan said officials were prepared to force open the safe if necessary, but store employees were able to get an override code from the manufacturer.

Complicating matters, however, was a security feature that locks the key pad for at least 5 minutes so no new code can be entered.

Guess they aren't airtight. ............................, OE

Wonder where the box it came in and the paperwork that would go with it. One would think that the combo would be with that stuff.

The numbers were probably pasted on the safe, I know that do that at Sportsman's Warehouse so you can try it for yourself. It's unlikely, but I guess not impossible, the kids just happened to press the right numbers.

The default code is 12345 (at least it was when I bought mine - I have changed it since). I figured that out all by myself too (didn't notice the paper inside prior to figuring it out on the 3rd try).

OK, so it is likely they pressed the right numbers if the default is 12345....

"My back was turned for five minutes," she said.


There is the problem right there!!!
Five minutes is a long time to let your kids run around unattended.

Dan

The kid's 10 - that's old enough to know that you don't go playing around in the store. I'm glad that he's okay - don't get me wrong there. But he should have been sticking a lot closer to the adult who brought him into the store.

Right......5 MINUTES is an eternity for a kid!!! Many parents use stores as a baby-sitter. I can't tell you how many kids I see running through stores with NO adult in sight......knocking things over, pulling clothes off racks, flinging toys on the floor, etc. The parents go to the store and tell their kids to meet them upfront at a specific time and off they go. But the parents are the first to cry "woe is me" if something happens to their child in the store. Maybe I'm old and jaded but I see too many children running lose to think that this kid getting locked in the safe was just an oddball accident that happend to a well behaved child. A child that is taught to respect other's property would not have climbed inside the safe. I'd be willing to bet her kids run around loose everytime they go shopping and get into everything. Of course, I can chill and hope that they were well behaved kids, just bored and/or curious and that it was just an unfortunate accident. :D

Glad the child was not hurt.....wonder if the lady is going to sue for unsafe conditions or something like that?

Another reason I am not the biggest fan, but I'll certainly support those who do buy and use the keypad gunsafes...

But the odds of this happening were really long though...

Kids do the darndest things!!!

This is why many stores that sell safes keep them locked...looks like the kid figured it out though
On a side note, there is a family with 4 children 5-13 that bring their kids over to our electronics department EVERY Saturday without fail and leave them unattended for over an HOUR

T3hK1w1 wrote: On a side note, there is a family with 4 children 5-13 that bring their kids over to our electronics department EVERY Saturday without fail and leave them unattended for over an HOUR

Isn't that child endangerment?

Won't they continue this practice if you let them? Isn't it likely to get worse?

If I were presented with this problem, I'd call the police.

I've seen a variation on this theme with other parents, one, a friend of my wife's.

She left her six year old with a crowd of spectators to run a five mile race. NO ONE she knew was asked to look after him. She just assumed he would be looked after by one and all in general and just headed out to race. She is a college graduate, but apparently doesn't have enough sense to pour you-know-what out of a boot.

Fortunately, a stranger and an obviously kind woman DID look after her abandoned son. When my wife's friend returned, the kindly woman ripped her a new one.

The wife's friend couldn't understand this woman's righteous anger. She in turn played the "I didn't do anything wrong card" and had the gall to ask me what I thought. I told her to call CPS and get their opinion.

This taught me a lesson: Abandon your child in my presence and I'll take care of your child, until the police arrive...

Unless CPS has changed, this is not considered abandonment. When i was working a part-time job at South Park Mall, we picked up a group of 6 kids, with the oldest one 9 years old and the youngest 4. Actually, they came to security becuase they coul dnot find their mom. She had dropped them off at the theater at 2:00 and said she would pick them up at 6:00. It was 6:30 and she had not yet shown up. We took the kids to the office and spent an hour looking in the mall for the mom before calling the police. At 8:30, just as the police were leaving with the kids, mom showed up and claimed she had been looking for them since 6. She started yelling at the kids about not being where she said to be.

After, uhh, discussing the issue with her, she was released with a report sent to CPS. They decided this was not child endangerment or abandonment since there was security and police working in the mall. I tried to point out that we did not even know the kids were in the mall, and I had personally arrested 3 men in the act of trying to pick up or molest young girls (over a two year period). It did me no good and the case was closed.