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VT: Fire destroys barn & house while ammo supply cooks off.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:43 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/ ... 9990069154
The above link is out of Shelburne, Vermont. The firefighters had to run hoses 3,800 feet (.71 of a mile) to the site.
The same property had a serious fire previously, but this time both the house and the barn were lost.
No word on the quantity or style of ammo involved.
Shell casings flew only 30-40 feet from the barn? It seems like they would fly further. < or is it farther?>
SIA
Re: VT: Fire destroys barn & house while ammo supply cooks off.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:29 pm
by C-dub
Without a barrel to go through or a chamber to explode from, exploding ammunition doesn't go very far or have very much energy to be of any serious danger. Of course, a lot of it going off at once would be an issue, but individual rounds don't really cause that big of a problem.
Aren't shell casings lighter than the bullet, so wouldn't they fly further when cooking off on their own?
Re: VT: Fire destroys barn & house while ammo supply cooks off.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:50 am
by K.Mooneyham
https://saami.org/publications-advisori ... refighter/
This is a video from SAAMI, the US ammunition standards association, showing what actually happens when ammo burns. It's NOT some huge explosion, and C-dub is mostly correct.
Re: VT: Fire destroys barn & house while ammo supply cooks off.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:40 am
by ScubaSigGuy
That's a good video, thanks for sharing.
I'd like to see a test done on a chambered handgun and rifle subjected to the temperatures found inside of a typical residential fire. I assume that I know what would happen, but I'd like to see it proven.
Re: VT: Fire destroys barn & house while ammo supply cooks off.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:55 am
by KLB
It seems like they would fly further. < or is it farther?>
Farther.
Farther relates to distance: The casings would fly farther.
Further relates to degree: If you give him a chance, he will argue his point further.
EXCEPT THAT, if you are a descriptivist instead of a prescriptivist, you'll say the distinction between the two is lost in that further can properly be used in place of farther.
Being a stick in the mud, I have prescriptivist tendencies, though I concede that, in the end, the descriptivists must win.
Re: VT: Fire destroys barn & house while ammo supply cooks off.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:42 am
by Maxwell
Great video! Thanks for sharing!
I learned about exploding ammo at a young age as I knew a guy that knew a guy that shot .22LR ammo out of a wrist rocket slingshot. Of course I never did it myself but I... understand... the explosions were impressive to someone of that age and inclination...
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
Re: VT: Fire destroys barn & house while ammo supply cooks off.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:44 am
by Maxwell
KLB wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:55 am
It seems like they would fly further. < or is it farther?>
Farther.
Farther relates to distance: The casings would fly farther.
Further relates to degree: If you give him a chance, he will argue his point further.
EXCEPT THAT, if you are a descriptivist instead of a prescriptivist, you'll say the distinction between the two is lost in that further can properly be used in place of farther.
Being a stick in the mud, I have prescriptivist tendencies, though I concede that, in the end, the descriptivists must win.
Well stated! I don't think you could have taken the explanation further...
Re: VT: Fire destroys barn & house while ammo supply cooks off.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:09 am
by crazy2medic
ScubaSigGuy wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:40 am
That's a good video, thanks for sharing.
I'd like to see a test done on a chambered handgun and rifle subjected to the temperatures found inside of a typical residential fire. I assume that I know what would happen, but I'd like to see it proven.
Typical tempratures inside of a house fire range from 2000-1500 up near the ceiling
About 6ft from the floor ranges 1000 to 800
3ft it's 300 to 400
2ft to the floor around 250-150 degrees
This is why firefighter go in on their knees, the temperature near the floor is tenable if your in full protective gear and have an air pack on! Been there done that, I have seen crazy things firefighting!
Re: VT: Fire destroys barn & house while ammo supply cooks off.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:41 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
KLB:
Although I didn't look it up, I knew enough to question the further/farther choice.
In striving to find the most accurate word choices while writing, I usually rely on my CDO,
or as someone else has stated here: "it's OCD, but I prefer it in alphabetical order!"
SIA