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SBRing a rifle while having CHL?

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:56 am
by hoytinak
I've got a PS90 I'm considering SBRing. Now that I've got my CHL and after doing some reading I'm confused. Can I legally own a SBR while having a CHL. As long as I get the proper paperwork/application for the SBR I should be able to own it with my CHL....right?

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:01 pm
by HankB
I've never heard of possession of a CHL to be an impediment to owning an SBR, machine gun, suppressor, etc., so long as you properly jump through the legal hoops required to own those items.

As I understand it, a CHL does not allow you to carry concealed any of that neat stuff, i.e, it's a concealed handgun license, not a concealed SBR license or concealed dagger license, etc.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:02 pm
by Xander
Your CHL only extends your legal ability to carry a handgun. It doesn't have any impact regarding ownership of any weapon.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:18 pm
by hoytinak
That's what I thought but before I paid the $200 tax and went through the application process I just wanted to be sure. Thanks for the replys. :grin:

Somewhat related topic.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:14 pm
by Velocity
Xander wrote:Your CHL only extends your legal ability to carry a handgun. It doesn't have any impact regarding ownership of any weapon.
In a somewhat related topic, I heard thru conversation with someone that a person with a FFL cannot get a Texas CHL. :shock: This definitely set off my bull detector as it seems one shouldn't impact the other..

Can anyone confirm or deny the above?

If my bull detector is accurate, I'd suspect a majority of FFLs in Texas probably HAVE their CHL. :grin:

Re: Somewhat related topic.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:16 pm
by seamusTX
Velocity wrote:In a somewhat related topic, I heard thru conversation with someone that a person with a FFL cannot get a Texas CHL. :shock: This definitely set off my bull detector as it seems one shouldn't impact the other..
Moo. :grin:

- Jim

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:44 pm
by Rex B
HankB wrote:I've never heard of possession of a CHL to be an impediment to owning an SBR, machine gun, suppressor, etc., so long as you properly jump through the legal hoops required to own those items.

As I understand it, a CHL does not allow you to carry concealed any of that neat stuff, i.e, it's a concealed handgun license, not a concealed SBR license or concealed dagger license, etc.
I don't think that's exactly true. A CHL holder can legally possess certain non-handgun weapons that a non-CHL cannot. Perhaps someone can give us a cite

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:02 pm
by Xander
Rex B wrote:
HankB wrote:I've never heard of possession of a CHL to be an impediment to owning an SBR, machine gun, suppressor, etc., so long as you properly jump through the legal hoops required to own those items.

As I understand it, a CHL does not allow you to carry concealed any of that neat stuff, i.e, it's a concealed handgun license, not a concealed SBR license or concealed dagger license, etc.
I don't think that's exactly true. A CHL holder can legally possess certain non-handgun weapons that a non-CHL cannot. Perhaps someone can give us a cite
Nope. Not in Texas. That *is* true for CCW holders in Florida, and perhaps elsewhere, but not here.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:03 pm
by seamusTX
Rex B wrote:I don't think that's exactly true. A CHL holder can legally possess certain non-handgun weapons that a non-CHL cannot.
Are you referring to the wording of PC §46.15?
(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:...
(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Article 4413(29ee), Revised Statutes, to carry a concealed handgun of the same category as the handgun the person is carrying;
Some people interpret that as meaning that if you are carrying a handgun, you can carry an illegal knife or club.

That is not a chance that I am going to take.

The situation with short-barrel rifles and shotguns is different:
PC §46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
...
(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor's possession was pursuant to registration pursuant to the National Firearms Act, as amended.
That means they are illegal to possess anywhere. Having the federal stamp is a defense to prosecution. Y'all know what that means.

- Jim

Re: Somewhat related topic.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:38 pm
by stevie_d_64
seamusTX wrote:
Velocity wrote:In a somewhat related topic, I heard thru conversation with someone that a person with a FFL cannot get a Texas CHL. :shock: This definitely set off my bull detector as it seems one shouldn't impact the other..
Moo. :grin:

- Jim
That sounded like a cow...Not a bull... :lol:

Re: Somewhat related topic.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:53 pm
by seamusTX
stevie_d_64 wrote:That sounded like a cow...Not a bull... :lol:
I guess, but what does a bull sound like?

- Jim

Re: Somewhat related topic.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:24 pm
by Velocity
seamusTX wrote:
stevie_d_64 wrote:That sounded like a cow...Not a bull... :lol:
I guess, but what does a bull sound like?

- Jim
"snort."

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:grin:

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:37 pm
by Renegade
Rex B wrote:
HankB wrote: As I understand it, a CHL does not allow you to carry concealed any of that neat stuff, i.e, it's a concealed handgun license, not a concealed SBR license or concealed dagger license, etc.
I don't think that's exactly true. A CHL holder can legally possess certain non-handgun weapons that a non-CHL cannot. Perhaps someone can give us a cite
The only trick here is some SBRs and AOWs can be handguns under Texas Law. For example, a Glock 17 with a front fore-grip is an AOW under Federal Law, and is handgun under Texas law. Thus a Texas CHL can lawfully carry a AOW concealed, while a non-CHL cannot.

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:03 pm
by rm9792
Renegade wrote:
Rex B wrote:
HankB wrote: As I understand it, a CHL does not allow you to carry concealed any of that neat stuff, i.e, it's a concealed handgun license, not a concealed SBR license or concealed dagger license, etc.
I don't think that's exactly true. A CHL holder can legally possess certain non-handgun weapons that a non-CHL cannot. Perhaps someone can give us a cite
The only trick here is some SBRs and AOWs can be handguns under Texas Law. For example, a Glock 17 with a front fore-grip is an AOW under Federal Law, and is handgun under Texas law. Thus a Texas CHL can lawfully carry a AOW concealed, while a non-CHL cannot.
Is the BATFE gonna see it that way?

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:07 pm
by Renegade
rx9790 wrote:
Renegade wrote:
Rex B wrote:
HankB wrote: As I understand it, a CHL does not allow you to carry concealed any of that neat stuff, i.e, it's a concealed handgun license, not a concealed SBR license or concealed dagger license, etc.
I don't think that's exactly true. A CHL holder can legally possess certain non-handgun weapons that a non-CHL cannot. Perhaps someone can give us a cite
The only trick here is some SBRs and AOWs can be handguns under Texas Law. For example, a Glock 17 with a front fore-grip is an AOW under Federal Law, and is handgun under Texas law. Thus a Texas CHL can lawfully carry a AOW concealed, while a non-CHL cannot.
Is the BATFE gonna see it that way?
Not sure what part of what I wrote you mean, but the answer would still be "yes".