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True. The tenured indoctinators involved probably face no financial or professional penalties. They’re heroes to their peers.rotor wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:47 pm So the college may have to shell out some money but what about the individuals? Nothing will happen to the truly guilty people I would bet.
Maybe, maybe not. I'm seeing articles that say the college's insurer says the awards are not covered. If Oberlin has to pay out of pocket for the current award and the possible $22M punitive award they will possibly have to close. They have significant financial difficulties already.rotor wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:47 pm So the college may have to shell out some money but what about the individuals? Nothing will happen to the truly guilty people I would bet.
In the grander scheme of things, the closing of Oberlin College may be the best possible outcome. I see no other path to reining in the obviously out of control higher education establishment in this country. I'm not even sure that Oberlin closing will send that message loudly enough but it is at least a start. Educators and the organizations associated with them seem to operate with immunity from the consequences of any of their actions. Fixing that needs to start somewhere.ELB wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:54 amMaybe, maybe not. I'm seeing articles that say the college's insurer says the awards are not covered. If Oberlin has to pay out of pocket for the current award and the possible $22M punitive award they will possibly have to close. They have significant financial difficulties already.rotor wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:47 pm So the college may have to shell out some money but what about the individuals? Nothing will happen to the truly guilty people I would bet.
ETA: https://www.thenewneo.com/2019/06/08/ob ... uit-award/
Like he said, the 1st Amendment guarantees those rights, and he shouldn't have to take the step of signing this bill into law, but if that’s what’s necessary to protect a most fundamental liberty, then so be it....also allows members of a university community “to assemble or distribute written material without a permit or other permission” from campus leaders. What’s more, it establishes “disciplinary sanctions for students, student organizations, or faculty who unduly interfere with the expressive activities of others on campus.”
Finally, it protects student organizations from denial of general university services based on the organization’s viewpoint. It also prevents universities from charging more in security fees from student organizations due to potentially controversial speakers.
Well...being forced to close may be overstating it, as it turns out that Oberlin is, shall we say, pretty well heeled. The lawyers went over Oberlin's IRS Form 990 with the jury yesterday to give the jury an idea of just how big a whack it will take for an award to actually be punitive. It turns out Oberlin has more than $1B in funds and net assets. Plus they have a bundle of people making hefty salaries. Oberlin claims they are cash poor and any award will hurt students by cutting down on the amount Oberlin provides in scholarships, but what they're really saying is they don't want to cut any administrators' pay nor do they want to dip into any of their investments. My reply to that is not within TexasCHLforum rules.chasfm11 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:51 amIn the grander scheme of things, the closing of Oberlin College may be the best possible outcome. I see no other path to reining in the obviously out of control higher education establishment in this country. I'm not even sure that Oberlin closing will send that message loudly enough but it is at least a start. Educators and the organizations associated with them seem to operate with immunity from the consequences of any of their actions. Fixing that needs to start somewhere.ELB wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:54 amMaybe, maybe not. I'm seeing articles that say the college's insurer says the awards are not covered. If Oberlin has to pay out of pocket for the current award and the possible $22M punitive award they will possibly have to close. They have significant financial difficulties already.rotor wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:47 pm So the college may have to shell out some money but what about the individuals? Nothing will happen to the truly guilty people I would bet.
ETA: https://www.thenewneo.com/2019/06/08/ob ... uit-award/
Thanks for the follow up. I’m curious about what the jury will decide.ELB wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:40 pmWell...being forced to close may be overstating it, as it turns out that Oberlin is, shall we say, pretty well heeled. The lawyers went over Oberlin's IRS Form 990 with the jury yesterday to give the jury an idea of just how big a whack it will take for an award to actually be punitive. It turns out Oberlin has more than $1B in funds and net assets. Plus they have a bundle of people making hefty salaries. Oberlin claims they are cash poor and any award will hurt students by cutting down on the amount Oberlin provides in scholarships, but what they're really saying is they don't want to cut any administrators' pay nor do they want to dip into any of their investments. My reply to that is not within TexasCHLforum rules.chasfm11 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:51 amIn the grander scheme of things, the closing of Oberlin College may be the best possible outcome. I see no other path to reining in the obviously out of control higher education establishment in this country. I'm not even sure that Oberlin closing will send that message loudly enough but it is at least a start. Educators and the organizations associated with them seem to operate with immunity from the consequences of any of their actions. Fixing that needs to start somewhere.ELB wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:54 amMaybe, maybe not. I'm seeing articles that say the college's insurer says the awards are not covered. If Oberlin has to pay out of pocket for the current award and the possible $22M punitive award they will possibly have to close. They have significant financial difficulties already.rotor wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:47 pm So the college may have to shell out some money but what about the individuals? Nothing will happen to the truly guilty people I would bet.
ETA: https://www.thenewneo.com/2019/06/08/ob ... uit-award/
Closing arguments were this morning, and the jury is deliberating this afternoon.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/o ... kery-case/DocV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:32 pm And, the jury decision is in. Punitive damages of 22 Million - whoops, make that 33 million. Wow!
Punitive damages are limited by law to *only* $22M.DocV wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:32 pm And, the jury decision is in. Punitive damages of 22 Million - whoops, make that 33 million. Wow!