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Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:05 pm
by Crash
Any recommendations for a cock-on-closing bolt action rifle? Unless I get my forearm directly vertical underneath the bolt handle when opening the bolt on my Ruger American in .270 Winchester, it is really hard to move the bolt handle up. And it is hard to get my forearm vertically underneath the bolt handle because my arms are short and the LOP is too long for me. About the only thing I can do is remove the rifle from my shoulder and move it back toward me so I can get the forearm underneath the bolt handle. So, does anyone know of a good, accurate, reliable bolt-action centerfire rifle (.270 Winchester, .308 Winchester, or 30-06) that won't break the bank?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Crash

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:58 pm
by jb2012
A bolt action shouldn’t require that much force to open. How do the locking lugs look? Is there any galling or bare metal on any of the mating surfaces?

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:03 pm
by Soccerdad1995
I have a Ruger American in 30-06 and it is very smooth and easy to operate the bolt.

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:26 pm
by Crash
jb2012 wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:58 pm A bolt action shouldn’t require that much force to open. How do the locking lugs look? Is there any galling or bare metal on any of the mating surfaces?
jb2012,

I'll check it out and let you know.

Crash

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:38 pm
by Jusme
I too have a Ruger American in 308. I have had no issues with the bolt, being hard to move.

I have thought about adding one of the Glades Armory Handles, just to give me a better grip on the bolt handle
http://gladesarmory.com/58/487-handles

Good Luck I hope it is a minor issue quickly resolved.

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:45 pm
by The Annoyed Man
An Enfield SMLE?

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:49 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
I am in agreement with those saying a bolt action rifle should not be that hard to operate. Something is likely wrong with it.

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:05 pm
by Jusme
03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:49 pm I am in agreement with those saying a bolt action rifle should not be that hard to operate. Something is likely wrong with it.
I was just reading the info on the glades armory web sight that said that Ruger changed the dimension on their bolts after 2019. Mine was made before that. I don't know if the change would cause the issues you describe, but it may be a starting point. Here is the link from Glades Armory:

http://gladesarmory.com/content/23/ruge ... nformation

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:45 pm
by crazy2medic
1917 Enfield Eddystone 30.06

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:20 pm
by threoh8
Swedish Mauser.

When I started using one in across-the-course NRA Highpower Rifle matches, I was told that it would somehow be worse in rapid fire than other bolt actions because of the cock-on-closing bolt. Separating the cocking from initial extraction seemed like a good idea to me.

I noticed that most of the time there was no real difference in time or effort. I might somewhat prefer the feel of running the bolt on a slick '03 Springfield or even a good Model 70, but my Model 96 Swede really got the job done.

Cock-on-closing never cost me a match. Lack of skill, brain fade, and laziness cost me plenty!

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:04 pm
by crazy2medic
I have had my Enfield since I was 13(1973) when we were deer hunting when I was 15, my and my Uncle walked over a small rise and below uson a flat open area we spooked a buck (I thought he was an 8 pt) the deer had approx. 400yds to the tree line, he's in a dead run and we approx 200yds away with the range increasing with every stride, my first shot hit behind and high, my second shot hit just behind and my third shot hit home and the buck piled up 20yds short of the tree line, I hit him high on the shoulder, we had to walk back to camp to get my uncles truck, the ASC Ranger asked what I was using, my Uncle told him an enfield, the ASC ranger looked at my dad and said no way can you fire a bolt action rifle that fast, my dad looked the guy straight in the face and pointed at me and said he can!

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:05 pm
by crazy2medic
I have had my Enfield since I was 13(1973) when we were deer hunting when I was 15, my and my Uncle walked over a small rise and below uson a flat open area we spooked a buck (I thought he was an 8 pt) the deer had approx. 400yds to the tree line, he's in a dead run and we approx 200yds away with the range increasing with every stride, my first shot hit behind and high, my second shot hit just behind and my third shot hit home and the buck piled up 20yds short of the tree line, I hit him high on the shoulder, we had to walk back to camp to get my uncles truck, the ASC Ranger asked what I was using, my Uncle told him an enfield, the ASC ranger looked at my dad and said no way can you fire a bolt action rifle that fast, my dad looked the guy straight in the face and pointed at me and said he can!

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:14 pm
by Liberty
I am a little confused and not sure I understand the issue. I believe that the precision uses the same bolt set up as my Ruger Scout. Mine started off a little stiff. but after a couple of boxes it loosened up a lot and is now slick and smooth. The Scout does have a the removable Buttpad spacers so you can shorten the LOP.

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:26 pm
by Crash
Liberty wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:14 pm I am a little confused and not sure I understand the issue. I believe that the precision uses the same bolt set up as my Ruger Scout. Mine started off a little stiff. but after a couple of boxes it loosened up a lot and is now slick and smooth. The Scout does have a the removable Buttpad spacers so you can shorten the LOP.
Liberty,

When I try to raise the bolt handle it is very difficult to do because I can't get my forearm vertical (pointing straight up, or nearly so) underneath the bolt handle to give me more leverage. Think of if this way: if you are trying to lift a heavy weight, it is much easier to do if your arm is bent at the elbow so the forearm is pointed more or less straight up underneath the weight. If your whole arm is extended straight out, with the weight in your hand out at the end of your arm, it is harder to do.

Crash

Re: Recommendations for a Cock-On-Closing Bolt Action Rifle

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:56 pm
by wheelgun1958
Perhaps a straight pull would work. A Swiss k31 maybe.