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When a business renews their license with the TABC, they must declare if they are 51% or not based on the income source. I will bet that is what they had to do and since their food sales outweighed the alcohols sales, they had to now declare they were not a 51% establishment.KC5AV wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:39 am Are they allowed to make that determination at their own discretion? I thought the sign color was based on what they report to TABC.
I am assuming that is what they did. I know they closed for 2 weeks to obtain a different license from TABC and now the red sign is gone and the blue has been put up. I guess similar to what Billy Bobs and some of the others have done to stay in businessKeith B wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:38 pmWhen a business renews their license with the TABC, they must declare if they are 51% or not based on the income source. I will bet that is what they had to do and since their food sales outweighed the alcohols sales, they had to now declare they were not a 51% establishment.KC5AV wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:39 am Are they allowed to make that determination at their own discretion? I thought the sign color was based on what they report to TABC.
This right here should be how it is ALL the time - not just when it is convenient for the owners. These "creative accounting practices" and loopholes need to be closed. Either you are a 51% establishment and you have to follow the rules of that type of location (and have its perceived benefits), or you are not and you have to abide by the other set of rules.der Teufel wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:59 pm Others had not been including things like ticket sales for live music events, and when they totaled that up their alcohol sales dropped to under 51%.
Some slightly creative business practices and accounting, but nothing illegal.
I hadn’t thought about this angle. As said, creative accounting is how some anti-gun businesses end up as 51% in the first place. They definitely need to audit some of these to make sure what revenue divisions being reported are accurate.der Teufel wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:59 pm I don't have a link, but I recently saw an article that said numerous bars were installing kitchens so that they could re-open as a <51% establishment. The TABC is apparently cooperating. If they didn't have a true kitchen, they have to put one in, including things like grease traps, etc. It's not necessarily cheap, but it lets them get back in business. Some places are requiring customers to purchase food so that they can keep the total alcohol sales under 51%. I think the article I read said one place brought a food truck onto the premises to sell food. Others had not been including things like ticket sales for live music events, and when they totaled that up their alcohol sales dropped to under 51%.
Some slightly creative business practices and accounting, but nothing illegal.
Better yet. Get rid of the prohibition on carry in 51% locations.Papa_Tiger wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:45 pmThis right here should be how it is ALL the time - not just when it is convenient for the owners. These "creative accounting practices" and loopholes need to be closed. Either you are a 51% establishment and you have to follow the rules of that type of location (and have its perceived benefits), or you are not and you have to abide by the other set of rules.der Teufel wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:59 pm Others had not been including things like ticket sales for live music events, and when they totaled that up their alcohol sales dropped to under 51%.
Some slightly creative business practices and accounting, but nothing illegal.
I wrote a piece of legislation that I have been handing to state reps/senators in the area that would do just that, along with responses to the antis who would say we are supporting drinking and carrying (spoiler alert, I'm not).ScottDLS wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:32 pmBetter yet. Get rid of the prohibition on carry in 51% locations.Papa_Tiger wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:45 pmThis right here should be how it is ALL the time - not just when it is convenient for the owners. These "creative accounting practices" and loopholes need to be closed. Either you are a 51% establishment and you have to follow the rules of that type of location (and have its perceived benefits), or you are not and you have to abide by the other set of rules.der Teufel wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:59 pm Others had not been including things like ticket sales for live music events, and when they totaled that up their alcohol sales dropped to under 51%.
Some slightly creative business practices and accounting, but nothing illegal.
ScottDLS wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:32 pmBetter yet. Get rid of the prohibition on carry in 51% locations.Papa_Tiger wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:45 pmThis right here should be how it is ALL the time - not just when it is convenient for the owners. These "creative accounting practices" and loopholes need to be closed. Either you are a 51% establishment and you have to follow the rules of that type of location (and have its perceived benefits), or you are not and you have to abide by the other set of rules.der Teufel wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:59 pm Others had not been including things like ticket sales for live music events, and when they totaled that up their alcohol sales dropped to under 51%.
Some slightly creative business practices and accounting, but nothing illegal.