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KDD wrote:Carry whatever you are comfortable with and can shoot the best.

I wholeheartedly agree!! I like both the Glock and the SR 9c two different systems but both are easily concealed and fired. The Glock with the chamber empty
and the SR 9c[or Beretta] with the chamber loaded and safety on.

It just shows the varying differences of opinion on the subject. Almost like the decision to getting a CHL or not. I feel safer after I got mine and some people will feel safer yet if they carry the gun ,
round chambered without any safeties at all. Who is right depends on the personal preferences. I was no more right in getting the CHL then a person that feels no need to have one.

BTW, many carry the Glock with the chamber empty. Here is a portion of an article I have read, the link to the entire article is: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _63772593/

The portion of interest for me is:

Condition Three: Is It Child Proof?

In Condition Three the chamber is empty and a full magazine is in place in the magazine well. Condition Three is applicable in both the 1911 and Glock systems and is a common method of carry for military organizations around the world.

The Israelis have gone so far as to include drawing, crouching and reciprocating the slide as a technique of instruction. U.S. military units have long carried pistols in this half-loaded configuration while walking or serving on guard- and duty-stations. U.S. military sentries have even developed a technique of one-handed drawing by reciprocating the slide on the belt or holster to charge the weapon.

It has been suggested that Condition Three is a safe condition in which to store a handgun in a child-occupied home. This theory is based on the assumption that a youngster could not easily reciprocate the slide and thereby load the weapon.

To dispel that myth, I personally know of a young couple whose 3-year-old daughter gained access to their Government Model 1911, cycled the slide and discharged the firearm in the bedroom closet. Fortunately, no one was injured, although everyone involved was quite shaken by the incident.

For this reason, I recommend that Condition Three is appropriate for firearm storage only if the half-loaded guns function as secondary weapons and are stored in locked vaults or lock boxes.

Does this mean that everyone has to agree, NO!! Does it mean that many different ways can be equally right, Yes!! It just means do whatever feels comfortable to you.

Chuck

SQLGeek wrote:Dry firing is a great (and cheap) method of improving your marksmanship. It helps you diagnose issues with your trigger pull such as flinching and gets you used to the weight and length of pull of the trigger.

You can always leave the mag disconnect in there and purchase some Snap Caps that will enable you to dry fire without risk of damaging the disconnect.

Also, the SR40c is out. Here is one place that carries it:

http://www.kygunco.com/products2.cfm/id ... .5%22-15rd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Glad you like the SR9c, that is one of the guns I've been considering for a carry gun.

Thanks for the link and at a decent price too BUT I am sorry you told me about it. Now I may have to go out and buy it. Actually with the +P loads for the 9MM it makes that cal. a good
carry weapon. I may have to have it anyway but not for a while. Thanks again for the link and the snap caps idea.

Chuck

[/quote]Sounds like you have some really nice options for carry. Please let us know how each one works out for you. I would be interested in your opinion of the t-blok when it comes in. The only thing I know about it is what I
have seen on the website I linked you to. If you wind up not liking it please let me know so that I don't point anyone in that direction in the future. Thank you for sharing this journey with us.[/quote]

I will let you know. For $19.95 I figured it was worth giving it a try. If, for some reason, it does not then I figure I have not lost much. Since going to CCL class and applying for the license I have spent $$$ on
IWB holsters and a fanny pack. All of my holsters are pretty top quality leather IWB and yes they do have trigger guards. I have one from High Noon holsters that is for my Glock 27. It is molded for that gun and that ran me $90 or so.
Since then I have purchased some leather holster for much less and some of them will accommodate a couple different modes therefore, cheaper. I have an assortment of handguns, including 5 models of the Glock from 9 MM to .45.
They are really great shooting guns. I have 2 Rugers, the P-89 and now the SR 9c. I really like both of them. I have the Beretta Storm PX4 SC my replacement gun should arrive within the next 2-4 weeks. I also have The CZ 9mm P-07 Duty
pistol, it is the first composite that CZ put out. Nice shooting but a little too bulky. They call it a compact I think it is more full sized. Then I had the Colt 1991 .45, not for shooting although I have shot it numerous times, it was my gift
to my son. I had it engraved "To Thomas from Dad". He has a son named Thomas and hopefully he will hand it down. My Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 mag was for hunting and definitely not for carry. A really good gun for feral hogs here in Texas.

I have been collecting guns for many years and when I was in the military I would have to sell the ones I had because of many deployments and no place to keep them. I retired from the AF in '85 and permanently in '97
and since then I have been accumulating many different rifles and pistols. My rifle cabinet is full and with the addition of the Ruger SR I had to purchase a bigger electronic lock box for my pistols.

My wife is filling the house with shoes and I am filling it with guns.

Chuck

[/quote]Hi Chuck,
I'm glad you liked the SR9c. I also was hesitant about not having a manual safety - or at least a grip safety like an XD9 - on light trigger pull carry weapon. I also went with the SR9c and I absolutely love it.

Now that I have been carrying a bit longer (just over a year now), I don't think I would have the same reservations with a carrying a gun without a manual safety. But, I still just love the feel of the SR9c. It is one of the skinnier double stack 9mm's. Although I have big hands, Glocks, XD's, M&P's all feel just a bit too thick to me. The angle of the grip to the barrel feels a bit more like a 1911 to me as well. I don't know who to explain it, but it just feels right.

That said, what doesn't feel right to me is the magazine disconnect safety. Not only does prevent you from firing a chambered round if the mag is dropped, it also should not be dry fired because of possible damage to the mag disconnect mechanism. I recommend removing it - it only takes a few minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvS-LhKLw2Q" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; [/quote]

Yes, I really like the SR 9c. It is a really nice shooting gun and I find it to be very accurate. About the magazine disconnect safety. I will get to doing that but I need to evaluate for myself my need to "dry fire" or not.
I know if I show someone that pistol [like my son] the first thing that is done is to check out the trigger pull. For me I like keeping everything the way it was built to be and not mess with it.
More times than not I wind up screwing things up. A long time back I attempted to do a trigger job on my Savage .270. It had a 10 b trigger pull which is much too stiff for hunting. I was told it was a simple operation so I attempted
it and I got the trigger pull so light that when I closed the bolt the gun would fire. I then took it to a gunsmith and for $50 they would do a nice trigger job on it as well as all my rifles. Getting them down to 2.5-3 lbs.
Right now I will leave it be and maybe later do something if I indeed do not like it.

Thanks for the link!!

I was under the impression that the SR 40c was out but it is not. I picked up the 9 sort of hesitantly but after firing it and checking out the ammo [Winchester Supreme Elite +P 124 bonded JHP] I figured it does indeed match up
ballisticly pretty well with the .40. With the 17 shot mag it has a lot of fire power. I was anxious to shoot it because I read that the SR 9c has had "light strike problems" so I wanted to see for myself. After 200 rounds now I have not had
that problem so maybe Ruger has fixed the problem with the newer guns. I will fire it a lot more I am sure, and if it continues to perform as it has thus far it is an exemplary gun.

Chuck

Hey guys thanks for all your help. I have it sorted out now. Being new to CC I have/had many questions. I thank everyone for their comments.

No need to argue the point.

Chuck

A little personal history.

I am brand new to concealed carry. I just received my CCL last month so I am still trying out new things and getting used to carrying everywhere I go. I have an assortment of guns and holsters.

So, when I ask questions it is from a new CC guy. I am familiar with guns of all types. Not an expert, just familiar with them. I have my preferences just as everyone else
has theirs.

I am not a stranger to ultra tense situations, I have had more than my share in my lifetime.

I have had to make decisions under extreme stress and I am sure I can still do that now.

I have been shot at, blown up and seemed to get away with things that only nutty people would try to do.

If the time would come that I needed a gun I am sure I will handle the situation. I hope it never comes to that.

If I make it to Oct. 28 I will be 69 yo. At one time I was told that I would never make it to see 30. So I figure I have gone 39 years further than expected.

Nothing wrong with asking questions while still having one's own preferences. While in the military I was first issued a Mod. 1911 .45 the govt issue was not very accurate.
I was then issued a S&W K-38 .38 spec. revolver Combat Masterpiece. Nice shooting gun!! Better than the govt issue 1911 in my opinion.

The 1911 mod. guns today are not the GI issued .45s they are tighter built and as a result their accuracy has greatly improved. I have a Colt 1991 Govt. that I bought new last year to give to my son.
I have fired it more than a few times and it is a really well put together and easy shooting handgun. Too big to carry!!

I will get comfortable and trained on whatever gun I finally favor as my carry gun. Right now it is the Glock 27, Beretta 9 SC and have added the Ruger SR 9c. All fine guns
that are easy to shoot and hit the target. Still a tossup for me which one will it be? When I finally get comfortable with one I will stick to it.

I really enjoy the difference of opinions in this forum. Goes to show that the US has made many quality guns. Including parts of the Glock.

Chuck

How long has this "block" been out? Just wondering if it is something new that they just added.

I sure will!!

I ordered the "all model Glocks, left hand only". I chose US Mail so it will probably be a week or so if they jump on it.

Thanks for the info.

I ordered one!!

The other day I purchased a Ruger SR 9c. Took it to the range today and fired 200 rounds of various ammo. It comes
with 2 mag. a 17 round mag and a 10 round. Plenty of fire power. All my carry ammo is now Winchester Supreme Elite in the 9 mm I have the +P JHP
in the 124 grain. For my .40 cal I have the same ammo in the 165 grain. I fired 50 rounds of that ammo through the SR 9c and the Glock 27 .40

Not a hitch!! The gun worked great and it seems to be very accurate. So far I am happy with it. It is a very nice gun but
I may be partial to Rugers. I have had a Ruger P-89 for a lot of years but it is just
too big to carry comfortably so it is now my "house gun."

I will be alternately carrying the Sr 9c and the Glock 27. I have been carrying the Glock 27 with round chambered for the past couple days.
Felt kind of strange but I am trying to get over it by practice and constantly reminding myself "keep your finger off the trigger". I
never do put my hand on the trigger but rather place my finger on the front of the trigger guard.

The SR 9c has what looks like a Glock style trigger and it also has a manual safety. Which I like!! I had been carrying my Beretta with
a manual safety but when it came apart on the range I went back to the Glock. BTW, Beretta will be sending me a new gun to replace
the one I had since it is not repairable.

I am now waiting for my "new" Beretta so I can break that one in and add to my collection. My daughter is wanting a gun for her house.
I will be giving her the Ruger P-89. I had night sights installed on it and she has fired and is familiar with that gun. She was wanting to get the Taurus Judge but I
offered the P-89 instead. Saves her some $$$.

Thanks for your input but now have all the guns I need and then some. I will put my idea of the Colt Defender on "ice" right now unless I get the urge
again for a new toy.

Thanks to all!! Yes, everyone has their favorite guns. A lot of good recommendations. My Glock 27 and my other Glocks are really fine guns, in my opinion.

Because my Beretta is off to the repair shop I have been carrying my G 27. Tomorrow I will be heading to Cabellas to buy some ammo and look at guns.

My trip to Cabellas was already planned but it was to buy 9MM carry ammo. I wanted to pick up son Federal 124 grain +P ammo. Instead I will be looking at guns
and ammo for the .40

If I do pick up another gun I will let you guys know tomorrow what I get.

Thanks again!!

Chuck

michael e wrote:I carry a glock and the lack of a manual safety doesnt bother me. I wouldnt think of carrying anything else since I shoot them so much and dont want to add something diff into the mix if I thinking fast under stress.

Yes, very good reasoning!! What do load in your Glock for carry? I have my G 27 loaded with 165 grain Hornaday Critical Defense ammo. What do you use?

AEA wrote:You decide what your life is worth.

In that case I will get a Daisey.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Glocks. Looked at the Sig!! Sigs, Colts and Kimbers are really nice guns but they are all kind of pricey. Don't
mind spending money but can probably get 2 Rugers for the price of the Sig.

The only Sig I have is the Mosquito.

I recently purchased a brand new, in the box Colt 1919A .45. I paid $750 for it. Had it engraved and gave it to my son.

"To Thomas from Dad." He has a son named Thomas as well and hope that he hands it down.

I have 3 Glocks, in 26,27 and 36 as well as the Ruger P-89. The 36 is not much bigger than the 27. I can carry that but the 27 hides much easier.

The only gun that I have purchased that I do not really like is the Beretta PX4 Storm SC 9MM. It recently fell apart on the range while shooting.
That one I sent back to the shop for repair. Less than 2 months old. When it comes back it will be up for sale. Good gun but not for me any longer.

My handguns are like my rifles, all black. Why? My wife thinks I have only 1 handgun and 1 rifle. If I get a stainless handgun then she will think I have 2.

Seriously she thought that for a long time till one day I opened my gun cabinet and she saw 8 black rifles. I guess she really does not mind
but going $1K for a handgun is a bit much for me.

Chuck

SAK wrote:If you like the P89, you might look at the SR40 or SR40c I have a SR9 & really like it.

I just looked at it online. The SR 9c or the SR 40 c looks good to me. I guess I like Rugers!!

Thanks!!

Chuck