MN Dentist legally kills Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe

[philip964]

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Jimmy Kimmel compares to Bill Cosby. Lion was favorite at Zimbabwe Wildlife Park. Lured out of park by dead carcass attached to Land Rover. MN dentist shot with a bow and arrow. Lion had a tracking collar monitored by Oxford University. Dentist is in hiding and wanted for questioning by Zimbabwe authorities. Tracked wounded lion and then killed with bullet. Took head and skin.

[VMI77]

He apparently lured the animal out of a game preserve where it would be illegal to kill it, failed to kill it with a bow shot, and wasn't able to shoot it to death until the next day. When they finally killed the lion they destroyed the GPS tracking device to prevent being caught. This guy should be extradited to ZImbabwe and spend time in a Zimbabwe jail. I really have to question the mental state of someone who kills an animal for a trophy. Luring and baiting an animal and killing it with a modern weapon for the fun of it....I just don't get it. I could shoot deer off my front porch but I don't see any sport in it.

[howdy]

Sick!!!

[philip964]

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The Dentist previously was convicted of killing a Black Bear in a restricted zone in the US , hauling it back to where it was ok and then lying about it. Sentenced to one year probation and a three thousand dollar fine.

This guy is no stupid tourist.

I'm sure 10 years in a Zimbabwe prison would stop this sort of thing by Americans. Maybe if Obama gives him up, we could put one item in the positive column for him.

[Javier730]

I'm sure 10 years in a Zimbabwe prison would stop this sort of thing by Americans. Maybe if Obama gives him up, we could put one item in the positive column for him.

I doubt Obama would do that. In fact, I think he would do quite the opposite and release some criminals native to Zimbabwe we have here in the US and trade for this dentist if he ever was locked up over there.

[VMI77]

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Not at all surprised:

According to the complaint, the woman alleged “she was subjected to ongoing and unwelcome sexual harassment by (Palmer) including, but not limited to, verbal comments and physical conduct involving her breasts, buttocks, and genitalia.”

She said she asked her supervisor and Palmer that the behavior stop, but it continued. She also said she believes she was fired for reporting the conduct.

The employee worked for Palmer from 1999 to January 2005 as receptionist and was also provided dental services by Palmer.

The complaint was dismissed in 2010 after the board determined he had completed all the requirement in the agreement. His insurer paid $127,500 to his accuser. In addition to the fine, he was also ordered to complete a jurisprudence exam and ethics course.

He sure didn't learn anything from the ethics course.

[Charles L. Cotton]

. . . I really have to question the mental state of someone who kills an animal for a trophy.

Well, you just insulted a rather large number of hunters with this crap. If you don't want to hunt, then don't, but you aren't going to sling accusations like this against millions of hunters.

Chas.

[VMI77]

. . . I really have to question the mental state of someone who kills an animal for a trophy.

Well, you just insulted a rather large number of hunters with this crap. If you don't want to hunt, then don't, but you aren't going to sling accusations like this against millions of hunters.

Chas.

I've hunted myself. I didn't consider my remark to be an accusation against ethical hunters. My remark was directed to those killing merely for the fun of it. He wasn't consuming or giving away the meat and he wasn't killing to protect livestock or property or to control an animal population, all of which I consider ethical killing or hunting. I guess it would be more to the point to say killing merely for the enjoyment of killing raises questions about someone's mental state. The basic hunting ethic I was taught is that you don't kill what you don't eat, and that it is unethical to kill an animal, take it's head, and leave the rotting carcass in the field.

[philip964]

Just to add to his list.

He was hunting at night with a spotlight (outdoors).

[VMI77]

I've hunted myself. I didn't consider my remark to be an accusation against ethical hunters. My remark was directed to those killing merely for the fun of it. He wasn't consuming or giving away the meat and he wasn't killing to protect livestock or property or to control an animal population, all of which I consider ethical killing or hunting. I guess it would be more to the point to say killing merely for the enjoyment of killing raises questions about someone's mental state. The basic hunting ethic I was taught is that you don't kill what you don't eat, and that it is unethical to kill an animal, take it's head, and leave the rotting carcass in the field.

Actually, on any legit game farm in Africa that I know of, the number of lion/elephants/etc that *can* be shot by trophy hunters is carefully managed, given the finite resources of a specific land-area - so while the hunter may be killing for "fun", his or her motives are irrelevant - the benefits brought to the area in doing so are very real.

The hunt brings in a lot of revenue, keeps the locals employed (and indeed keeps them from being involved in poaching themselves), keeps the ranch open for further generations of animals and trims the population of lion/elephant/whatever to a sustainable level by culling the aggressive and the old who have already passed along their genetic material. Rather a swift, clean death than to be torn apart and eaten alive slowly by hyenas, wouldn't you say?

Now, I don't enjoy big-game trophy-hunting myself - but I'm certainly not going to sneer at someone who does (as long as it's legal and ethical) because I'm aware of the benefits.

I don't disagree and I do agree that there are benefits to the practice as you describe it. However, that's not what happened here, and that's not really what I was addressing as it falls into the area of ethical hunting, and as you say, under the circumstances you describe, the hunter's motives are irrelevant. I guess I wasn't specific enough. I was speaking to the state of mind that enjoys killing apart from everything else, purely for the sake of killing, and immortalizes it with a trophy. Under the circumstances you describe no such state of mind is required.

[philip964]

I remember a black and white clip from the '20's where a safari hunter is standing still with his rifle in Africa in the Savana. All of a sudden a big male lion charges out of the tall grass at full tilt right at him. He calmly raises the rifle and fires one shot with the lion maybe 10 feet away. The lion knocks him down and is completely covering his body. A long few seconds later he pushes the dead lion off him and gets up unhurt.

To me those days are gone. You can't bring them back. There may be a situation especially with tigers were someone may be asked to kill a tiger who is hunting villagers and a hunter would face the same risks.

But I don't think we are talking about that here.

Maybe there are risks to modern trophy hunting, but not like the old days.

[OldCurlyWolf]

. . . I really have to question the mental state of someone who kills an animal for a trophy.

Well, you just insulted a rather large number of hunters with this crap. If you don't want to hunt, then don't, but you aren't going to sling accusations like this against millions of hunters.

Chas.