Hawaii Police Officer Shooting Training Video

[Paladin]

This is a detailed firsthand account of a police shooting.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqvFAoKK0lE

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[Venus Pax]

There's good information in the video about the necessity of training.
It's a lengthy video for youtube, but take time to watch it one evening.

[Humanphibian]

GREAT VIDEO!! Talk about reverting back to training....this guy is a poster child for "Train like you fight, fight like you train"

it is lengthy....but this should be a "Must Watch" video for anyone that is considering living life with a weapon on their person.

My favorite part is when he is describing the "six things going on in his head at one time". This guy had unbelievable situational awareness for being in the middle of a firefight.

Amazing story, glad to see he is OK. Even more glad to see he is using his experience to help others.

[badkarma56]

Very impressive, I'm pleased that the officer neutralized the threat and was able to eventually return to duty after treatment. I cannot even imagine what being shot nine times with an AK-47 must feel like , that's one tough cop!

[TX Rancher]

Very interesting view.

I hope if I have that many infractions when I get stopped, the cop is like this guy. All those things and only one ticket, and if I heard right the only reason he was issuing that citation is he wasn’t allowed leeway. Sounds like a nice guy…then things went bad…

When he spotted the weapon, he drew his pistol and commanded the guy not to reach for the weapon…good reaction time in the video.

But then the BG went for the weapon anyway. I was surprised the officer grappled with the BG instead of pulling the trigger…what would you have done in that situation?

At the beginning of the video, I think I heard the guy mention that both guys fired 30 rounds…that’s a lot of ammo in a very short time…and only 8 hits on the officer. I didn’t hear them mention how many hits the officer made, or I just missed it.

For the officer they showed one reload. If he fired 30 rounds that means at the end of the engagement he had only one round left. Something to think about for those of us that eschews the carry of extra magazines and frown on those that carry hi-cap weapons. "If you can't stop the BG with 6 rounds, you shouldn't be carrying"...

The majority of rounds put out by the officer were while he was on his back. How often do you practice firing and reloading from the ground…may be a good idea to start if you currently don’t.

How’s your survival instinct? This guys was really strong…8 hits with 7.62, many while on the ground, and he stayed in the fight…that takes guts. His reward for having the right mindset was he got to live, and the other guy didn’t.

While on the subject of mindset, I noticed this guy wasn’t a muscle bound Rambo type. His build was about average, maybe even a little on the underdeveloped side. When it’s a firefight (no contact), size and physical conditioning are secondary to mindset and training. If the video was accurate, the BG was much “beefier� then the officer, and he won the grapple contest, which was very dependent on size and physical conditioning, but when it transitioned to firefight, he was the clear loser…Mindset and tactics/training won out over size and superior firepower. The BG made several severe tactical errors, which was good for the officer, but I still think it was mindset that allowed the officer to prevail (mixed in with a liberal dose of luck).

A lot of other stuff came to mind while watching the video…all in all it was time well spent.

[Venus Pax]

But then the BG went for the weapon anyway. I was surprised the officer grappled with the BG instead of pulling the trigger…what would you have done in that situation?

I think LEOs are expected to give these people a lot of leeway. You may have noticed in the video that the officer kept referencing the fact that it was his "second opportunity" and "third opportunity" to drop the weapon.

I'm sure if the officer would have shot the guy through the window when he wrestled with him for the weapon, the media would have been all over him. He may have been under investigation for several months afterward as well.

[Doug.38PR]

Wow. I noticed in the reinactment he went down and sprayed and prayed at the guy (although he said he was trying to control his shots) not hitting him (it didn't look like) and then reloaded and put two well placed shots into the guy. Stopped the video about 18 minutes into it as I have to go, didn't know if he ever said anything else about that.

Shot 8 times with a rifle...wow. That's one tough guy.

[KBCraig]

At the beginning of the video, I think I heard the guy mention that both guys fired 30 rounds…that’s a lot of ammo in a very short time…and only 8 hits on the officer. I didn’t hear them mention how many hits the officer made, or I just missed it.

They didn't give his round count, but he did talk about finishing his first mag (15+1) and performing an emergency reload just as he'd trained.

One other point he brought up, which is something I also do: when he has to secure his pistol at the courthouse, etc., he never just "removes" his gun from his holster, he always draws it. I do the same thing. It's easy with the pinch retention on my Fobus, because you can't get it out without the proper draw motion.

When my pistol goes to bed at night, I practice a proper grip and draw motion. Not all the way to target presentation, but to the point of having a proper grip and indexed trigger finger.

[TX Rancher]

KB:

I went back an listened to the video again, and ~2 min 35 sec into it the sgt says something to the effect of "In a few seconds, at about 20 feet, over 30 rounds were fired by both officer cook and the suspect". The sgt was probably saying over 30 rnds combined between the two and I interpreted wrong in my post. Thanks for the correction

But either way, it still seems to me to point to carry extra mag(s) and a high cap pistol may have it's place...

I'm with you on your approach to drawing whenever you take your weapon out of the holster. I do the same thing. While walking around on the ranch, I'll "draw down" on trees, hay bales, and other dangerous suspects just to practice. After years of doing this, the drawstroke is truly second nature to me.

[MoJo]

Mindset - - - the officer never gave up he kept fighting until the threat was neutralized. If you are facing a determined adversary, and are wounded, if you "go down" you are dead. You have to keep fighting!