True ND Story--I Swear

Jason73 · Post by **Jason73** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:30 am

bit off topic here but for what its worth, my Ruger P90 will "bump load" too - its not just dishwasher-safe pistols that can acomplish this amazing feat

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:34 am

Jason73 wrote:bit off topic here but for what its worth, my Ruger P90 will "bump load" too - its not just dishwasher-safe pistols that can acomplish this amazing feat

Isn't your P90 Dishwasher Safe?

Jason73 · Post by **Jason73** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:43 am

"Isn't your P90 Dishwasher Safe? "

my P90 is all steel - no plastic on it except for the grips

*edited* actually the frame is aluminum

Hamourkiller · Post by **Hamourkiller** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:10 am

KISS, repeat, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

Revolvers are simple
Revolvers are good
Revolvers are reliable

No slides to bump forward
No stuck firing pins
No slam fires
No hammer follows

Just
BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! Thank you Mam!

KISS KISS

All of my slight kidding aside, this is one of the reasons I recomened double action revolvers to most people for a defensive handgun. The semiauto requires more training and or expertise than most people are willing or able to invest.

Revolvers supply the needed amount of fire power with the least amount of training with the highest degree of design safety of our choices for defensive handguns.

Keep it safe out there!

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:27 am

Hamourkiller wrote:KISS, repeat, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

Revolvers are simple
Revolvers are good
Revolvers are reliable

No slides to bump forward
No stuck firing pins
No slam fires
No hammer follows

Just
BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! Thank you Mam!

KISS KISS

All of my slight kidding aside, this is one of the reasons I recomened double action revolvers to most people for a defensive handgun. The semiauto requires more training and or expertise than most people are willing or able to invest.

Revolvers supply the needed amount of fire power with the least amount of training with the highest degree of design safety of our choices for defensive handguns.

Keep it safe out there!

Although I love my revolver, I disagree with your assessments. Hit ratios from studies of LEO involved shooting show that semi-auto shooters make hits and a much higher rate than revolver shooters. Long, heavy trigger pulls are the reason.

Semi-autos also have less felt recoil than a revolver for a given round. IOW, more power, less recoil.

Ejections can and do back out and can cause cylinders not to open. Cylinders can get out of time, creating a dangerous situation for the shooter and those around. (I was injured at DPS instructor school once by the S&W revolver being shot next to me. It was shaving lead and I caught a chunk in the arm seriously enough that the line had to be stopped and I needed first aid.)

I would also disagree that semi-autos are not safe for "most". Some people definitely, but safety rules will be ignored by an undisciplined person regardless of the type of firearm carried.

All of that said, it is individual preference that should matter.

govnor · Post by **govnor** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:33 am

Of course we all know that Glocks have several built in safeties. With the "trigger work" done to it, maybe something was compromised. That's the only way a Glock would go off without pulling the trigger. Also, if it had a much lighter trigger pull after being worked on, he may have "touched" the trigger a little too hard, not being used to it. That's what I bet happened. Booger picker in finger well...

Operators Edge · Post by **Operators Edge** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:54 am

As a gunsmith I will say what everyone else is, he had his finger on the trigger. The Glock will NOT fire unless you squeeze that trigger. But please go easy on the guy, Mall Ninjas are some of my best customers! LOL.....

Hamourkiller · Post by **Hamourkiller** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:28 pm

txinvestigator wrote:
Hamourkiller wrote:KISS, repeat, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

Revolvers are simple
Revolvers are good
Revolvers are reliable

No slides to bump forward
No stuck firing pins
No slam fires
No hammer follows

Just
BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! Thank you Mam!

KISS KISS

All of my slight kidding aside, this is one of the reasons I recomened double action revolvers to most people for a defensive handgun. The semiauto requires more training and or expertise than most people are willing or able to invest.

Revolvers supply the needed amount of fire power with the least amount of training with the highest degree of design safety of our choices for defensive handguns.

Keep it safe out there!
Although I love my revolver, I disagree with your assessments. Hit ratios from studies of LEO involved shooting show that semi-auto shooters make hits and a much higher rate than revolver shooters. Long, heavy trigger pulls are the reason.

Semi-autos also have less felt recoil than a revolver for a given round. IOW, more power, less recoil.

Ejections can and do back out and can cause cylinders not to open. Cylinders can get out of time, creating a dangerous situation for the shooter and those around. (I was injured at DPS instructor school once by the S&W revolver being shot next to me. It was shaving lead and I caught a chunk in the arm seriously enough that the line had to be stopped and I needed first aid.)

I would also disagree that semi-autos are not safe for "most". Some people definitely, but safety rules will be ignored by an undisciplined person regardless of the type of firearm carried.

All of that said, it is individual preference that should matter.

I maintain that Revolvers are inherently more reliable and powerful than semi autos, they require less training to be safely used in a defensive situation and should be the choice for people of modest skills. As training levels go up so does the available choices.

Reliability, recoil / power, portability. The user has to choose which weapon / cartridge combination melds these factors to suit his needs.

100% agreement with your last statement.

PS: I am not anti semi auto, and feel people should be trained in the proficeint use of each style of hand gun. Get good with them all and have a blast!

If you put full sized high quality 9mm, 40 cal, 45acp autos and full sized high quality .357, 41, 44 mag revolvers in a box. You would have a box full of excellent defensive handguns any one of which I would feel comfortable defending myself with.

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:27 pm

KBCraig wrote:
DSARGE wrote:There is a guy at work that is a great guy, but can best be described as "high energy/no focus"--like a baloon flying around when you poke a hole in it.
We've got one of those. Another guy at work described him as "a weedeater without a string" -- running a million RPM and accomplishing nothing.

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:28 pm

Operators Edge wrote:As a gunsmith I will say what everyone else is, he had his finger on the trigger. The Glock will NOT fire unless you squeeze that trigger. But please go easy on the guy, Mall Ninjas are some of my best customers! LOL.....

Yep, they need to maintain their "tacticoolness", right "Txi"???

Post by **carlson1** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:38 pm

Hamourkiller wrote:KISS, repeat, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

Revolvers are simple
Revolvers are good
Revolvers are reliable

No slides to bump forward
No stuck firing pins
No slam fires
No hammer follows

Just
BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! Thank you Mam!

KISS KISS

All of my slight kidding aside, this is one of the reasons I recomened double action revolvers to most people for a defensive handgun. The semiauto requires more training and or expertise than most people are willing or able to invest.

Revolvers supply the needed amount of fire power with the least amount of training with the highest degree of design safety of our choices for defensive handguns.

Keep it safe out there!

I would have to agree with you!

I have seen more Semi Auto's Jam in the last three weeks than ever before. I have just recently within the last year or so went back to noting but a revolver for carry. I love my 1911's, but the revolver goes Bang Every time. I do know it takes more practice with a revolver. It is a lot harder to shoot more proficiently with a revolver than an automatic. For someone with bad hands it is less recoil the slide movement makes it more difficult on the semi autos.

Seburiel · Post by **Seburiel** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:05 pm

I, for one, gotta drop my two cents in and cast my vote for DA revolvers - timing issues can be repaired, after all...

Also, what ia a mall ninja?

Operators Edge · Post by **Operators Edge** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:52 pm

Mall Ninjas is a term that was conceived for the "wannabe". We used to call them PX Rangers, SWAT-a-be's, Woo-Woo's, etc.....However, please don't confuse them with the "Show SEALs".

DSARGE · Post by **DSARGE** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:18 pm

Photoman wrote:Also, why did the cops show up?

The nieghbors called 911 when they heard the shot. He also called in and said somebody might be calling. The cops came by to check things out.

DSARGE · Post by **DSARGE** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:27 pm

Operators Edge wrote:Mall Ninjas is a term that was conceived for the "wannabe". We used to call them PX Rangers, SWAT-a-be's, Woo-Woo's, etc.....However, please don't confuse them with the "Show SEALs".

He's the one with the "store bought" tac vest with one of everything a"U.S. Calvalry" catalog has to offer. He carries more gear for a 12 hr shift than I have for a six month deployment. We work on about 75 acres that is fenced in, and he has a GPS.
--I did, however, just order those new pace counter beads from Ranger Joe's that has glow in the dark skulls for beads. Gues I am sliding that way, too.

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