Changing the “Macho” Male Culture of the US Military

[VMI77]

http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/ch ... s-military

The left is working hard to undermine our institutions and destroy the country as quickly as possible. This smells like Treason to me.

Today I am privy to most of the plans that are currently in place to put women into combat arms. I have been told, again by acquaintances working at the Pentagon and at various headquarters around the US military, that all of the “experiments” that the services have been undergoing for some time now have been a sideshow. The decision had been made from the get-go. As one Female Engagement Team Program manager told many in Afghanistan in 2011, “the decision has already been made; we just need to talk about “the how” instead of “if”.”

This means that the Ranger School “experiment” was an experiment in name only. It was guaranteed from the beginning to graduate a woman and that graduation would be used as proof that the combat exclusion rule needed to go. This, of course, matches what every Army Command Sergeant Major (9) in 2011-2013 told me was said to them by high-level CSMs and General Officers while attending their pre-command courses: “women will be in combat arms and women will graduate Ranger School, if any of you has a problem with that, you need to get out of the military.”

Sounds like it's time for men to get out of the military.

[Middle Age Russ]

The Progressive element has long worked to destroy the pillars of society -- Faith, Family and Community. The gloves have come off in recent times, and they have become bold to shout down dissent to their "Hope and Change" for society. I trust that the fruits of their labors will "benefit" them as much as everyone else if they are able to fully enact the changes they want. Few of them will admit that these changes will inevitably lead to a new Dark Ages of sorts.

One issue here is trading effectiveness for political correctness. It has happened in our political system, and now they are pushing it to the military. I would never say that SOME women might be able to excel and MANY of the front line roles in the armed services. The whole point, though, is that these policies -- this thinking -- is never about exceptional individuals producing the best. It always comes down to lowest common denominator (the participation prize, if you will). If armed services are to indeed protect the US homeland and our interests around the world, they will certainly fail at this task under lowest common denominator "feel-good" policies.

Hope and Change is setting the US up to join the third-world, lowest common denominator nations, and to take down the rest of Western civilization as well (if they don't beat us there).

[VMI77]

The Progressive element has long worked to destroy the pillars of society -- Faith, Family and Community. The gloves have come off in recent times, and they have become bold to shout down dissent to their "Hope and Change" for society. I trust that the fruits of their labors will "benefit" them as much as everyone else if they are able to fully enact the changes they want. Few of them will admit that these changes will inevitably lead to a new Dark Ages of sorts.

One issue here is trading effectiveness for political correctness. It has happened in our political system, and now they are pushing it to the military. I would never say that SOME women might be able to excel and MANY of the front line roles in the armed services. The whole point, though, is that these policies -- this thinking -- is never about exceptional individuals producing the best. It always comes down to lowest common denominator (the participation prize, if you will). If armed services are to indeed protect the US homeland and our interests around the world, they will certainly fail at this task under lowest common denominator "feel-good" policies.

Hope and Change is setting the US up to join the third-world, lowest common denominator nations, and to take down the rest of Western civilization as well (if they don't beat us there).

It's not about women, really. It's about that "fundamental change." Or, to put it another way, it's about power and control. It's less than 3rd world stuff though....most of the 3rd world categorically rejects all this "social justice" nonsense. We'll be so weak we won't be able to even stand up to the third world, as is about to be demonstrated in Europe over the next several years. We won't even be a bump in the road for Russia and China if this nonsense is allowed to proliferate and dominate.

[Beiruty]

We need to send this ex-male to war:

[oohrah]

what a bunch of conspiracy bull crap

[Abraham]

Bruce is still male.

Befouled with hormones and surgery notwithstanding...

[Abraham]

We should soon see an all LBGT battalion, heck, a division.

With these troops the enemy will kill themselves laughing...

[TVegas]

If the women who graduate Ranger school graduate based on all the same merits as their male counterparts, then they are Rangers and they deserve to fight along side them. They deserve respect just like any other Ranger would. It's not about men vs. women or macho vs. feminine.
The opinion of one person with knowledge of the system does not prove any conspiracy. If they planned for a woman to graduate, then they picked women who they believed were qualified. The instructors at that level of the military would not just sign off on passing someone who didn't deserve it, and their fellow Rangers would never respect them if they passed on lower standards.

[Abraham]

TVegas,

I really want to believe what you posted, but I'm having a hard time buying it.

I suppose it goes with me disbelieving standards weren't lowered when a 110 female fire-person gets to be a fire person. Sure, she can sling a 200 lbs plus person over her shoulder and rescue them from a burning building.

In a pig's eye...

[Abraham]

TVegas,

My umbrage is not directed at you, but the various standards that've been lowered for PC reasons.

[Beiruty]

If the women who graduate Ranger school graduate based on all the same merits as their male counterparts, then they are Rangers and they deserve to fight along side them. They deserve respect just like any other Ranger would. It's not about men vs. women or macho vs. feminine.
The opinion of one person with knowledge of the system does not prove any conspiracy. If they planned for a woman to graduate, then they picked women who they believed were qualified. The instructors at that level of the military would not just sign off on passing someone who didn't deserve it, and their fellow Rangers would never respect them if they passed on lower standards.

Have you seen those 2 who graduated from the Rangers school? They look nothing but like the "ROCK"

[VMI77]

If the women who graduate Ranger school graduate based on all the same merits as their male counterparts, then they are Rangers and they deserve to fight along side them. They deserve respect just like any other Ranger would. It's not about men vs. women or macho vs. feminine.
The opinion of one person with knowledge of the system does not prove any conspiracy. If they planned for a woman to graduate, then they picked women who they believed were qualified. The instructors at that level of the military would not just sign off on passing someone who didn't deserve it, and their fellow Rangers would never respect them if they passed on lower standards.

Sorry, but that's just not the way it went down. There is plenty of information out there about what happened on various military blogs,such as the Weaponsman, who is ex SF, and even an article in People magazine. They received special treatment from the get go and some standards were waived. The instructors signed off because they were ordered to do so.

Granted, it's been awhile, but I served in the military with women --well, my actual service was all male, but I experienced the joys of some coed training. Not a single woman met the same standards as the men and they all got special treatment. The recent Ranger school that included women didn't go to the same extremes of lowered standards and special treatment I witnessed in my day, but they did get special treatment.

I don't know what you mean by "they picked women who they believed were qualified." They ran 120 women volunteers, who were heavily recruited for the program, through a special pre-Ranger training regime and 19 made it to the point of actually entering Ranger school. They scoured the Army for those 120. Of the 19, only 3 made it to the last phase of training and none passed without being recycled.

http://weaponsman.com/?p=26305

Ranger Training Brigade has thrown in the towel and is going to graduate a third woman candidate, who started with the others and has had so many recycles and second chances that nobody has kept track of them. These include being removed, ungraded, from patrol leadership positions where she was failing, and getting a “bye” on multiple peer review failures (two things which have only been waived before on males that had a great deal of “pull,” such as sons of generals, and never both on one person.

In an interview on Facebook quoted in the Washington Post, all part and parcel of Fabricating Foster’s press blitz, the third woman, Lisa Peplinski Jaster, seemed to admit receiving special treatment but called for it to be “minimized,” for future women.

At the end of the course, Jaster had been dragged through three Benning Phases, two Mountain Phases, and two Florida Phases. She consistently failed patrols and peers, but advanced anyway.

The Ranger Training Brigade claims to have destroyed all training records of the women graduates “routinely,” except for the simple green index card that has been kept for each student since 1951.

Strictly coincidentally, this is the one with the loudmouth husband on social media, and strictly coincidentally, the one who kept a notebook and threatened repeatedly that if she didn’t graduate, she was going to “burn down the school,” and equally strictly and equally coincidentally, the one who repeatedly flunked peers. Which were waived on her behalf. This is the one who had special pre-tuition during the course on every evolution that was sprung on her classmates (you know, the ones who were actually at risk of failure) as a surprise.

So, believe the media hype if you want.

Also, in the context you're using it I don't know what you mean by a "conspiracy." The regular military has been pushing PC nonsense for decades and it's only gotten worse since Obama has been in office. Geez, the Army just recently had men, in uniform, marching around in red high heels. Feminization has been in progress for a long time. It's just that now they're trying to force it on the Marines and Special Forces.

It's nice you have so much faith in the military brass, but I still remember years ago when the Navy brass pushed an unqualified woman through flight school even though she failed her carrier landings and she ended up crashing her plane and killing herself as a result. Does that mean a woman can't qualify to be a pilot? No, it doesn't....I cite that incident to demonstrate that the brass doesn't have the scruples you think they do when it comes to advancing their careers and being politically correct --even if it means passing someone who isn't qualified and is a danger to themselves and others.

And BTW, the 3 Ranger "graduates" are all officers who were looking to get their tickets punched for advancement, and none of them planned to actually serve, nor will they serve, in an actual Ranger battalion subject to combat. Jaster, the third to be "passed" isn't even in the regular Army she's a high ranking reservist. She was working for Shell and took a break from work to go to Ranger school. IOW, it was ticket punching and publicity, since there was absolutely no chance she'd actually serve as a Ranger. So she took the slot of a man who would actually have gone to a Ranger battalion. What is the point of sending anyone, man or woman, through Ranger school when they're not even going be be on active duty and they're never going to actually be a Ranger?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... 4688038712

Jaster, on the other hand, has had an even more unconventional path. Like Griest and Haver, she is a part of the first generation of women who will be able to earn the Ranger tab. But she’s also a higher-ranking officer in the Army Reserve, a mother of two children, and an engineer who temporarily left a position with the Shell Oil Company in Houston to tackle Ranger School.

Nothing but social engineering and feminist propaganda.

[locke_n_load]

Dad was a ranger from 85-89.
We have talked about this numerous times.
He told me "if the higher ups wanted these women to pass ranger school, they were going to pass ranger school."
And I believe they were recycled not once, but 3-4 times. No one else gets to be recycled that many times - they are simply out of the program.
All I need to know about it.

[VMI77]

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[VMI77]

Dad was a ranger from 85-89.
We have talked about this numerous times.
He told me "if the higher ups wanted these women to pass ranger school, they were going to pass ranger school."
And I believe they were recycled not once, but 3-4 times. No one else gets to be recycled that many times - they are simply out of the program.
All I need to know about it.

Yep, that is true military wide and it's not entirely unprecedented even for Ranger school. Even before this round of women there were men who got a pass because daddy was a general, or because of other high political pull. Although as the Weaponsman points out, even those guys didn't get the same extent of special treatment.