I made THE transition

[ScottDLS]

People joke about it and talk bad about it but it really is a safe way to carry if you train properly.

Doesn't proper training include "never cover the muzzle with anything you're not willing to destroy"?

Then everyone who carries a gun regularly breaks the rule, since it's virtually always pointing at your leg, or rear, or thigh, or "other" as you prepare to draw.

[TXBO]

People joke about it and talk bad about it but it really is a safe way to carry if you train properly.

Doesn't proper training include "never cover the muzzle with anything you're not willing to destroy"?

Then everyone who carries a gun regularly breaks the rule, since it's virtually always pointing at your leg, or rear, or thigh, or "other" as you prepare to draw.

That's just not true. My 4 oclock carry doesn't point at any part of my body.... and you really didn't answer the question either.

[parabelum]

Congratulations on the weight loss.

For me, appendix carry tends to jab me in the gut while sitting down, especially carrying anything larger then G26.
I'm also much slower to draw from appendix, probably since I'm used to 3-4 position...
Lastly, having muzzle pointed at my femoral artery and/or "the part" is a bit "concerning", so I abandoned this carry option pretty much one month after I got my CHL years ago...

[ScottDLS]

People joke about it and talk bad about it but it really is a safe way to carry if you train properly.

Doesn't proper training include "never cover the muzzle with anything you're not willing to destroy"?

Then everyone who carries a gun regularly breaks the rule, since it's virtually always pointing at your leg, or rear, or thigh, or "other" as you prepare to draw.

That's just not true. My 4 oclock carry doesn't point at any part of my body.... and you really didn't answer the question either.

There was a video posted in another thread sometime back where someone put a long stick in the barrel of a handgun, and then tried different methods of carry, with the stick indicating what was getting "swept" or pointed at. It was virtually impossible to go through everyday activities without regularly covering something with your muzzle that you didn't intend to destroy. Even with 4 o'clock carry you're likely to be "covering" your body parts at some point while sitting or moving. Or if you have it point outward so much as to preclude that possibility, the you're probably covering people on stairs or escalators.

So, to answer the original question "Doesn't proper training include "never cover the muzzle with anything you're not willing to destroy"?...Assuming that this means "cover something with the muzzle or have the muzzle pointing at" something you're not willing to destroy...

Then my answer would be NO. My understanding of what proper training means is don't POINT the muzzle...while handling or drawing the firearm.

Otherwise Academy and most LGS's are breaking the gun safety rules every day by placing the handguns in the case.

[The Annoyed Man]

Congratulations on the weight loss! I am down 90 lbs since March 8, 2015. Still have a ways to go, but I both look and feel much better.

I'm still not appendix carrying (even though I have a holster that is good for that, and a slim little G43 that will carry well that way. The problem for me is that I am still downsizing my wardrobe, and enjoying "pants that fit". I've already given everything that would accommodate room for appendix carry to Good Will. When my current crop of pants are big enough to accommodate it, I'll be buying smaller ones.

[TXBO]

People joke about it and talk bad about it but it really is a safe way to carry if you train properly.

Doesn't proper training include "never cover the muzzle with anything you're not willing to destroy"?

Then everyone who carries a gun regularly breaks the rule, since it's virtually always pointing at your leg, or rear, or thigh, or "other" as you prepare to draw.

That's just not true. My 4 oclock carry doesn't point at any part of my body.... and you really didn't answer the question either.

There was a video posted in another thread sometime back where someone put a long stick in the barrel of a handgun, and then tried different methods of carry, with the stick indicating what was getting "swept" or pointed at. It was virtually impossible to go through everyday activities without regularly covering something with your muzzle that you didn't intend to destroy. Even with 4 o'clock carry you're likely to be "covering" your body parts at some point while sitting or moving. Or if you have it point outward so much as to preclude that possibility, the you're probably covering people on stairs or escalators.

So, to answer the original question "Doesn't proper training include "never cover the muzzle with anything you're not willing to destroy"?...Assuming that this means "cover something with the muzzle or have the muzzle pointing at" something you're not willing to destroy...

Then my answer would be NO. My understanding of what proper training means is don't POINT the muzzle...while handling or drawing the firearm.

Otherwise Academy and most LGS's are breaking the gun safety rules every day by placing the handguns in the case.

Those situations you mention are not gun handling. The four rules are rules of "gun handling". A gun in a case is not being "handled". Bending over to tie your shoes and having a holstered gun point at somebody is not "gun handling". I'm specifically talking about drawing a weapon, which is "gun handling". A gun in the 4 o'clock position can most certainly be drawn without covering any part of your body....sitting or standing.

[ScottDLS]

OK I agree that the rules are for gun handling. But then only the methods of carry where you can draw without covering yourself or others are acceptable methods of carrying? It's very hard to draw from almost any position without your barrel covering something other than the intended target, which is why I guess most ranges don't allow it. But if I feel the need to draw for self defense, sorry that rule is going out the window so I can get the darn gun pointed at the target that I DO want to destroy. Personally, that's why I don't appendix carry. I'd take a very small chance of having Glock leg, rather than Glock "junk". I'm not ready to transition...yet.

[TXBO]

OK I agree that the rules are for gun handling. But then only the methods of carry where you can draw without covering yourself or others are acceptable methods of carrying? It's very hard to draw from almost any position without your barrel covering something other than the intended target, which is why I guess most ranges don't allow it. But if I feel the need to draw for self defense, sorry that rule is going out the window so I can get the darn gun pointed at the target that I DO want to destroy. Personally, that's why I don't appendix carry. I'd take a very small chance of having Glock leg, than Glock "junk". I'm not ready to transition...yet.

If you ever need to draw your gun for a self-defense purpose, chances are it will be, by far, the most stressful situation you've ever been in. Many are so full of adrenaline that they don't recall actually pulling the trigger. That's why repetition and muscle memory are so important. That's not the time to have your muzzle pointed at your groin during a draw.

[Setxjeff]

I am 6'4" 260 and fill up anything I sit in or on. I went to a crossdraw holster(I am right handed)
Crossdraw allows me to comfortably buckle a seat belt and still smoothly,safely draw my pistol

[flechero]

Congrats on the weight loss!

When I lost my weight (60 lbs) it made carry much more comfortable in the 3:30-4:00 area... No "handles" in the way. Now I can carry any of my pistols comfortable strong side. The added bonus is that a trimmer waistline allows you to carry a larger pistol pretty easily. You rshoulder width exceeds your middle and shirt drape has lots of room.

[Sport Coach]

Years ago I lost 170 pounds (divorce - she'd probably say the same about me), then a few years ago regained 130 pounds (remarried and very happy). I now, however have to change carry positions on occasion to "no where near my wife during menopausal moments" (humor). We've agreed that when possible if she's feeling quite irritable, I go to the range to enjoy some shooting while she calls her sister to talk (win-win).