Mass Shooting at Orlando Nightclub

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Re: Mass Shooting at Orlando Nightclub

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Post by Bolton Strid » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:23 am

Beiruty wrote:Is getting weird case. A Terrorist and Drunk Gay as per his acquaintance? Something is not computing right. :headscratch
Maybe he was playing the 9/11 textbook.
The usual suspects with the media's help are desperately trying to spin it away from the terrorism angle and re-set the narrative to some sort of jilted-lover-with-a-gun nonsense, hoping people will fall for it.
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Post by philip964 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:38 am




Obviously unsubstantiated. Two other shooters, someone holding doors shut so people could not exit.

This makes a some sense. I was surprised that a single person could kill 50 in a crowded room without someone attacking him, knocking him over. No other mass shooting where a single person has been able to kill and wound so many.

There was mention that they are looking for one additional person.

It is certainly more helpful in keeping calm in Orlando, if it is a lone wolf for now.

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Post by SewTexas » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:26 am

philip964 wrote:My anti gunner Facebook friends are going all in on repealing the second amendment.

Last night on NBC the guy who follows the tonight show said as he opened that he would change the format and not start with jokes, to honor the Orlando murdered. He then went into a nasty tirade on guns AR-15's etc for five minutes.

End gun free zones in bars!

mine are all going all kinds of crazy.....
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Post by suthdj » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:33 am

SewTexas wrote:
philip964 wrote:My anti gunner Facebook friends are going all in on repealing the second amendment.

Last night on NBC the guy who follows the tonight show said as he opened that he would change the format and not start with jokes, to honor the Orlando murdered. He then went into a nasty tirade on guns AR-15's etc for five minutes.

End gun free zones in bars!

mine are all going all kinds of crazy.....
"if it's not a flint lock, it doesn't belong", I'm getting ready to tell them that if you're not using your voice or paper you're not using the 1st right. (the two loudest work on the computer :lol: )
No no they have to use town cryers not paper an quill.
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Post by Skiprr » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:35 am

Obama in a live presser right now using--as completely expected--the Orlando tragedy to get back up on his soapbox demanding more "common sense" gun control, and demanding that we need to get "powerful weapons of war" and "assault rifles" off the streets.

Thank goodness he is isn't demanding that we eliminate "the shoulder thing that goes up." :mad5

The media and liberal politicians are so deeply ingraining a false definition of "assault rifle" that I fully expect the incorrect definition to begin appearing in dictionaries and the AP Stylebook.
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Re: Mass Shooting at Orlando Nightclub

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Post by Middle Age Russ » Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:28 am

Obama in a live presser right now using--as completely expected--the Orlando tragedy to get back up on his soapbox demanding more "common sense" gun control, and demanding that we need to get "powerful weapons of war" and "assault rifles" off the streets.
This has always baffled me about the anti-gun arguments. In a world where firearms exist and bad actors exist (who will inevitably find tools, legally or not, suited to their desires), how is it "common sense" to disarm everyone who isn't a bad actor? Only Progressive fantasies pretend that the bad actors will simply cede their firearms like good citizens would be expected to. Likewise, how is it "common sense" to limit the capability / magazine capacity of guns owned by good guys if the bad guys can simply ignore the limits?

Perpetrators of crimes of violence are like a cancer. They must be excised from society, preferably permanently and immediately the moment they reveal themselves. This cannot be accomplished if all law-abiding citizens are soft targets without the means of countering violence with equal or greater violence in defense of self and society.
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Re: Mass Shooting at Orlando Nightclub

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Post by ScottDLS » Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:39 am

I heard an interview with an Israeli security official that stated that after the recent attacks in Tel Aviv that the government chose to reduce restrictions on firearms for Israeli citizens (which are currently much stricter than the US). The idea was to arm more "good guys". So our government reaction is to push for more restrictions as if that helped in France or Belgium or any other terrorist attacks where the bad guys got weapons illegally.

Another thing that comes to mind in the Orlando attack is...why don't more soft targets (legally "gun-free" zones) employ armed security? It's really sad that someone can walk up to a club (or school) with 300 people in it with a rifle, walk in, start shooting people and nobody can be armed to stop them! :banghead:
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Post by Topbuilder » Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:02 pm

When his wife dropped him off, did she wonder why he had a Sig 5.56 and 20lbs of ammunition in his purse?
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:22 pm

Topbuilder wrote:When his wife dropped him off, did she wonder why he had a Sig 5.56 and 20lbs of ammunition in his purse?
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Re: Mass Shooting at Orlando Nightclub

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Post by Jusme » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:04 pm

I know that the FBI, Homeland Security, and NSA have huge numbers of people to keep track of, but there seems to be a common thread among most of these terrorists, in that they all have made recent trips to the middle east, prior to their actions. I just wonder how thoroughly the FBI investigated this guy. Did they just ask him if he was a terrorist, and since he said no they dropped it? I don't doubt at all that this was a coordinated attack, with him being the one to be martyred. I just can't believe, that as these investigations continue, how complicit people are and yet don't say anything. If I knew anyone was even contemplating something like this 911 would be lit up.
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Post by cb1000rider » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:13 pm

Jusme wrote: Did they just ask him if he was a terrorist, and since he said no they dropped it? I don't doubt at all that this was a coordinated attack, with him being the one to be martyred. I just can't believe, that as these investigations continue, how complicit people are and yet don't say anything. If I knew anyone was even contemplating something like this 911 would be lit up.
They asked him. He said that he was aligned with ISIS and Hezbollah. As those two groups are apparently incompatible, basically they assumed he was a wack-job and watched him for a while.

You can certainly fault the FBI retrospectively here. However, unless we all want to give up our gun rights without due process, I'm not sure what our government could have done other than guess a little better about another lone-wolf wack job. He didn't have any legitimate links to terrorist organizations beyond his own mouth.

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Post by suthdj » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:20 pm

cb1000rider wrote:
Jusme wrote: Did they just ask him if he was a terrorist, and since he said no they dropped it? I don't doubt at all that this was a coordinated attack, with him being the one to be martyred. I just can't believe, that as these investigations continue, how complicit people are and yet don't say anything. If I knew anyone was even contemplating something like this 911 would be lit up.
They asked him. He said that he was aligned with ISIS and Hezbollah. As those two groups are apparently incompatible, basically they assumed he was a wack-job and watched him for a while.

You can certainly fault the FBI retrospectively here. However, unless we all want to give up our gun rights without due process, I'm not sure what our government could have done other than guess a little better about another lone-wolf wack job. He didn't have any legitimate links to terrorist organizations beyond his own mouth.
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Re: Mass Shooting at Orlando Nightclub

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Post by Solaris » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:29 pm

philip964 wrote: Obviously unsubstantiated. Two other shooters, someone holding doors shut so people could not exit.
The guy holding doors shut guy was interviewed on Fox. So that is confirmed.

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Post by AndyC » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:31 pm

Well, the LGBT community is sure waking up to their gun-rights fast - I've never seen so many wanting to learn how guns work, etc and the scorn for the leftist anti-gun agenda is reaching a crescendo.
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