Why no Thumb Safety on a Carry Gun

[Kolamer]

You made a good snake!

The only good snake is a dead snake.

[jason812]

You made a good snake!

The only good snake is a dead snake.

That is right except he is hanging on the fence and hasn't made it rain so even dead, it is not a good snake.

I guess I'm confused what the 'click' was? You don't say what type of firearm it is....but 'most' safeties prevent the trigger from being pulled, or block the firing pin in some fashion. Perhaps yours does not?

Sounds like you had a rat snake in the nesting box. For the most part a beneficial snake, but doesn't need to be eating all of your eggs.

A Walther P22. It has an external hammer and the click was the hammer falling. I've relocated a few snakes that were in the barn but this one found it's way in a nesting box 3 and a half feet off the ground. It was just a 4ft non venomous snake of some kind. At least I won't have to mess with it again.

The P22 is the only pistol I have with a safety although one day a 1911 will be the other pistol I have with a safety. I just won't carry it.

I should have put this in the humor section as I thought a grown man having to get gloves to handle a snake and then dropping the snake when it touched him was kind of funny. At least I didn't squeal. I didn't mean for a serious discussion to take place.

[John Galt]

Whatever one is comfortable with. I have 3, 1911's but I like carrying a striker fired gun. If I wasn't a fan of Glocks, I would probably be carrying a Sig 320. To each his own.

[hovercat]

Double action revolver.

[Pawpaw]

If someone has trouble operating a thumb safety, it gives me doubts as to wheather they should be carrying.

Well, Pawpaw, not all of us have full use of our thumb. I don't think I could possibly ever carry a gun that has a thumb safety, and I've made all my carry purchases using that as THE primary decision criteria.

Now, I do own some others that do have safeties, and I shoot them, but they are just for fun. None are in my carry rotation, nor will they ever be.

Shame...I'd love to carry a 1911, but it's not in the stars for me.

Perhaps I should have added,"other than a physical inability". Still, my statement stands because yours is a rare situation.

BTW, I do understand physical limitations. I have a few of my own, including a right thumb that hasn't been the same since I cut the end of it off as a teenager.

[flowrie]

Raised on a 1911, so flipping the safety off is automatic for me.
But for others, maybe not so much. I understand that.

[RogueUSMC]

I should have put this in the humor section as I thought a grown man having to get gloves to handle a snake and then dropping the snake when it touched him was kind of funny. At least I didn't squeal. I didn't mean for a serious discussion to take place.

No worries. I am with ya. My wife thinks it is ironic that I won't touch snakes, worms, bugs, etc. In her mind, I am the big bad marine...lol. all those things I won't touch can usually live as long as they go about their business and leave me alone. They approach me? They are dispatched with extreme prejudice...lol.

[crazy2medic]

I carry a 1911, thumb automatically goes to the safety when I draw.

Snakes in nest boxes solution, go to hobby lobby and buy a ceramic egg, place it in the nest box, that will be the last egg that snake eats, I have bought several ceramic eggs and after several days I find the dead snake!

[Morbidrealities]

The only true safety is keeping your finger off the trigger. Mechanical safeties are just that, mechanical and prone to breaking eventually.

And humans never fail, even professionals?

Humans fail all the time, but we have a halfway decent amount of control on IF we fail in this type of scenario. Training, training and more training.

[Morbidrealities]

... It's muscle memory to me by now, while others may not be as acquainted to the TS.

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It is muscle memory. I've chosen not to burden my muscles with memorizing that on my EDC. My 1911s, FN-X, S&W Victory etc all have thumb safeties and I love them all like children. My EDC is point and click.

I get it completely. I was raised on the 1911 platform, I do most of my own gunsmithing work, unless it's a new gun, then I'll send it in. I'm just extremely comfortable with my 1911's I did shoot my wife's Mod.2 Sub Compact today though....I'll tell you what, the trigger is stock and it feels really good. I was shooting 3 inch groups at 21 feet. The sight picture was wonderful and each time I fired the weapon dropped right back down beautifully. I might have to get myself one. I could just steal hers though, lord knows she's taken a few of mine after a range trip.

[WTR]

The thumb safety is no more or less mechanical than the trigger or hammer. I guess we need to carry a pocket full of rocks in case of a failure. That being said, I have never had a safety fail on me.

[flechero]

The 1911 or any gun with external safety may not be for everyone, but that's not an excuse to use for not training.

No offense meant, but swiping off the safety isn't as difficult or unnatural as learning good trigger press/control, draw techniques, etc.. If you carry a gun with a safety, you need to train with it. If you don't, you still need to train. I understand the argument that you could miss the safety in a stress situation, but you could also miss your target with that long 12 lb trigger in the same stressful situation.

The issue for me isn't the safety, it's the ability to dedicate enough time and effort in training to ensure you are well prepared to deploy what ever you carry, quickly and on target.

[Morbidrealities]

A thumb-safety is the price one pays for the 1911's short and crisp single-action trigger-pull.

Here's what the prototypes looked like before JMB was asked to add one:



Then again, some modern pistoleros have never used the slide-stop to drop the slide, either ;)

Depends on my mood. I'll use the slide stop sometimes and slingshot sometimes