Dems so far making few changes to playbook, leadership after crushing defeat
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Dems so far making few changes to playbook, leadership after crushing defeat
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12 ... efeat.html
When your strategy is working so well just keep doing what you've been doing.
When your strategy is working so well just keep doing what you've been doing.
The left lies about everything. Truth is a liberal value, and truth is a conservative value, but it has never been a left-wing value. People on the left say whatever advances their immediate agenda. Power is their moral lodestar; therefore, truth is always subservient to it. - Dennis Prager
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bblhd672 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12 ... efeat.html
When your strategy is working so well just keep doing what you've been doing.
It's the classic definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.
They are throwing away any future support they might have had, and when Trump's policies start working to improve things, their message will be even less effective. They just can't believe that they could be "wrong" about anything.
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Re: Dems so far making few changes to playbook, leadership after crushing defeat
Even a lefty like Piers Morgan can see they are nuts:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... er-it.htmlHillary and the hypocritical Democrats aren't defending American democracy from foreign meddling, they are a clear and present danger to it
The left lies about everything. Truth is a liberal value, and truth is a conservative value, but it has never been a left-wing value. People on the left say whatever advances their immediate agenda. Power is their moral lodestar; therefore, truth is always subservient to it. - Dennis Prager
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Does anybody really want them to figure out how to get their agendas implemented? Seriously, let them keep failing, I do not want them to succeed.
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No one want them to succeed except themselves and their minions. Dems will continue to flail and fail until the left fringe commie dinosaurs die off.jason812 wrote:Does anybody really want them to figure out how to get their agendas implemented? Seriously, let them keep failing, I do not want them to succeed.
The left lies about everything. Truth is a liberal value, and truth is a conservative value, but it has never been a left-wing value. People on the left say whatever advances their immediate agenda. Power is their moral lodestar; therefore, truth is always subservient to it. - Dennis Prager
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Re: Dems so far making few changes to playbook, leadership after crushing defeat
Keep in mind though, while Trump/Pence won the electoral college, Hillary/Kaine won the popular vote. Additionally the Democrats picked up seats in the House (both nationally and in Texas). So while we should be glad that the Democrats are continuing with their generally failed policies, there are still A LOT of people that support them at the national and state level.
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Meaningless unless they won the popular vote in every state.Papa_Tiger wrote: Hillary/Kaine won the popular vote.
The left lies about everything. Truth is a liberal value, and truth is a conservative value, but it has never been a left-wing value. People on the left say whatever advances their immediate agenda. Power is their moral lodestar; therefore, truth is always subservient to it. - Dennis Prager
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^^^^^^^^ This.Papa_Tiger wrote:Keep in mind though, while Trump/Pence won the electoral college, Hillary/Kaine won the popular vote. Additionally the Democrats picked up seats in the House (both nationally and in Texas). So while we should be glad that the Democrats are continuing with their generally failed policies, there are still A LOT of people that support them at the national and state level.
I know the map looks very red, but there are several incursions into the middle of our Great Country. Hillary carried Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, and Illinois. Florida and Pensilvania were squeakers and could go the other way in a heart beat. She carried more than 40% in Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina. She only got a little more than 34% of Tennessee, but I'm afraid that Nashville will bring in a growing number of "progressive" celebs and start to swing that state
She got more votes than our guy did, they were just in the wrong geographic areas to swing the electoral college. All they need to do is move their folks around a bit, and we're toast. We've seen them migrating from the left coast into our Great State growing the blue areas around Austin and Houston for several years now.
I'm frightened by how little has to change in four years to produce a completely different outcome.
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BigGuy wrote:^^^^^^^^ This.Papa_Tiger wrote:Keep in mind though, while Trump/Pence won the electoral college, Hillary/Kaine won the popular vote. Additionally the Democrats picked up seats in the House (both nationally and in Texas). So while we should be glad that the Democrats are continuing with their generally failed policies, there are still A LOT of people that support them at the national and state level.
I know the map looks very red, but there are several incursions into the middle of our Great Country. Hillary carried Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, and Illinois. Florida and Pensilvania were squeakers and could go the other way in a heart beat. She carried more than 40% in Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina. She only got a little more than 34% of Tennessee, but I'm afraid that Nashville will bring in a growing number of "progressive" celebs and start to swing that state
She got more votes than our guy did, they were just in the wrong geographic areas to swing the electoral college. All they need to do is move their folks around a bit, and we're toast. We've seen them migrating from the left coast into our Great State growing the blue areas around Austin and Houston for several years now.
I'm frightened by how little has to change in four years to produce a completely different outcome.
All of this is true, but there were also so many registered voters, who refused to vote for either candidate, some staunch establishment Republicans, who did not want Trump to be elected, worked just as hard as the left to derail his campaign. I think once the economy picks up, more people are back at work, taxes are lowered etc. More people will come to realize that the policies we endured for the past 8 years didn't work. Establishment Republicans, will be forced to recognize the fact that they were just as guilty of ignoring the average Americans, and will either have to get on board, or face being replaced by like minded candidates.
The left simply believes that they have all of the answers, and that the election was just a fluke, they still refuse to see that the people who voted for Trump, weren't radical right wingers, they were everyday people who had watched their jobs either leave the country, or be filled by illegal immigrants at lower pay. Some had traditionally voted Democrat, because their union reps told them to. The Libs are still inside their echo chamber, and are making no attempt to reach the people they lost in the election. They are still playing the same games, and singing the same tune that did them no good in the election. The only thing the Republicans need to do, is get on board, reach out to the people who put Trump in office, and quit trying to appease the Left. If they do that, the mid term elections will reflect the same trends as the National one.
We the people need to preach to everyone, that our position is tenuous and encourage the hesitant to vote, I think after two years of seeing positive results across the country, that message will resonate more. JMHO
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Re: Dems so far making few changes to playbook, leadership after crushing defeat
The playbook continues on it's success:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12 ... -loss.htmlFormer President Bill Clinton mocked President-elect Donald Trump’s intelligence, said “angry, white men” helped secure his victory and blamed FBI Director James Comey for Hillary Clinton’s November defeat during a spontaneous Q-and-A at a New York bookstore earlier this month.
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Re: Dems so far making few changes to playbook, leadership after crushing defeat
Well, I agree to a certain extent. I have been angry for the last eight years.bblhd672 wrote:The playbook continues on it's success:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12 ... -loss.htmlFormer President Bill Clinton mocked President-elect Donald Trump’s intelligence, said “angry, white men” helped secure his victory and blamed FBI Director James Comey for Hillary Clinton’s November defeat during a spontaneous Q-and-A at a New York bookstore earlier this month.
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anygunanywhere wrote:Well, I agree to a certain extent. I have been angry for the last eight years.bblhd672 wrote:The playbook continues on it's success:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12 ... -loss.htmlFormer President Bill Clinton mocked President-elect Donald Trump’s intelligence, said “angry, white men” helped secure his victory and blamed FBI Director James Comey for Hillary Clinton’s November defeat during a spontaneous Q-and-A at a New York bookstore earlier this month.
Yeah, and it wasn't just angry white men, it was angry African Americans, angry legal immigrants, angry women of all colors and creeds, who got tired of the lies told to them, the taxes reducing their take home pay to 1996 levels, Obamacare costing them more than they paid for insurance before. Angry gun owners, and even non-gun owners, who saw the chipping away of the Second Amendment, and the attacks on the First. The "deplorables" who dared to speak out against political correctness, elitism, and entitlements. The angry people who saw that this administration failed in foreign policy, debt reduction, and preserving American values. He was partially correct, we were angry, that he and the she witch he married were planning on completing the downfall of this country. I'm not angry now.

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