Question Concerning Security Officer and CHL

[carlson1]

Does the law permit a non commissioned Security Officer to carry concealed in uniform at work? Can anyone post the statue?

[txinvestigator]

Does the law permit a non commissioned Security Officer to carry concealed in uniform at work? Can anyone post the statue?

A non-comm officer cannot carry concealed while at work.

Stand by for the applicable statutes.

[carlson1]

I am sure that makes since to someone, but not me. I had a Church member who is a supervisor for security service and one of his men was arrested last night in Dallas for that reason. Thanks.

[txinvestigator]

Texas Government Code (CHL laws)

GC §411.200. APPLICATION TO LICENSED SECURITY
OFFICERS. This subchapter does not exempt a license holder who is
also employed as a security officer and licensed under Chapter 1702,
22 GC §411.201. TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS
Occupations Code, from the duty to comply with Chapter 1702, Occupations
Code, or Section 46.02, Penal Code.

From the Texas Occupations Code, which regulates Private Security;

SUBCHAPTER G. SECURITY OFFICER COMMISSION REQUIREMENTS
Sec.A1702.161.AASECURITY OFFICER COMMISSION
REQUIRED.AA(a)An individual may not accept employment as a
security officer to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the
individual ’s duties unless the individual holds a security officer
commission.
(b)An individual employed as a security officer may not
knowingly carry a firearm during the course of performing duties as
a security officer unless the commission has issued a security
officer commission to the individual.
(c)A person may not hire or employ an individual as a
security officer to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the
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individual ’s duties unless the individual holds a security officer
commission.

[txinvestigator]

I am sure that makes since to someone, but not me. I had a Church member who is a supervisor for security service and one of his men was arrested last night in Dallas for that reason. Thanks.

A person performing Contract Security for pay has a higher responsibility than a person carrying soley for self-protection. A commissioned Security Officer must receive 30 hours of training, which is much more in-depth in use of force and firearms training than the CHL course.

The law is written the way it is to keep a non-comm officer from carrying with only 10 hours of training.

Edit to add; The training for non-comm and commissioned officers is very clear that one MUST be commissioned to carry a handgun while on duty. Anyone not knowing just did not pay attention, or decided to take a chance.

No sympathy here.

[dws1117]

txinvestigator is correct. Unfortunately I have been a non-comm security for the last four years. In addition, if your not a contract guard and work for the conpany, as I do, then you would probably be barred from carry due to company policy. OF course not all companies have a no guns policy but, it would seem, that most do have some sort of no guns policy.

On the plus side, I start the new year in a new job position. I finally got a transfer out of security.

[waffenmacht]

I have worked for years as bot a commissioned and PPO security officer. The only way a security officer can carry concealed in the state of Texas is under a level 4 (PPO) licence.

[one eyed fatman]

What kind of sucks about this whole thing is the DPS is in charge of security officer training (armed and unarmed) and CHL licensing. Your not allowed to use your CHL training and license as a credit in getting your security license. I don't know about you guys but I considered the 30 hours of security training I got more or less a joke. The class was more like amateur comedy week in a classroom. Of course if the DPS keeps both security and CHL separate they can collect more fee's.

[txinvestigator]

What kind of sucks about this whole thing is the DPS is in charge of security officer training (armed and unarmed) and CHL licensing. Your not allowed to use your CHL training and license as a credit in getting your security license. I don't know about you guys but I considered the 30 hours of security training I got more or less a joke. The class was more like amateur comedy week in a classroom. Of course if the DPS keeps both security and CHL separate they can collect more fee's.

It has nothing to do about DPS collecting fees. The legislature specifically states what training must be involved in each.

If you believe your training was substandard, you should contact the board

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/psb/consumer/default.aspx


They will investigate. In fact, they will probably send a undercover thru the school in question. I know of a school in Dallas that got hit TWICE a few years ago.

Come to my school, while we have fun, you won't think the training is a joke.

Actually, if a school ran the courses well and managed the time properly, both courses COULD feed each other. However, I believe they would have to run concurrently since the LAW requires a level 3 student obtain 30 hours of training during the course. No allowances are made for time credit of outside courses.

As an instructor, I am not signing a certificate unless you complete ALL of the training with me. How do I know your "credited" hours were not from a class that was a joke. ;)

[one eyed fatman]

txinvestigator thanks for the info. The main thing I got out of this class was that the company wanted to hire some of these people real cheap. Their benefits consist of two free uniforms if you work for us full time. That's their entire benefit package.

The thing some security company's run down here are bait ad's. They advertise a job there are no openings for. They want you to apply just in case somebody quits or gets fired. You can put in a lot of wasted time applying for those kind of jobs.

Security stuff down here is starting to look kind of stinky.

[KBCraig]

One of my brothers in law works for Securitas (formerly Pinkerton), as an unarmed security officer at the GM plant in Shreveport. I don't know Louisiana's requirements for armed/commissioned, but I pray he never makes it.

He's a typical Barney Fife, with a 5D Maglite instead of a bullet. About two minutes after he got the job, he commented that we were now "in the same line of work. You know, law enforcement."



I don't go around saying "I'm in law enforcement", even though I'm legally a LEO. I wanted to tell him, "Dude, I work in a prison... I'm no super secret special agent, and you don't even have my lowly status!"

There's one in every family, though, and he's "that guy", the expert on every subject. I've stopped being polite about it, but making him look like a complete idiot isn't any fun. He just claims to have been testing the audience. "I knew that, I just wanted to see if you did!"

But he's a perfectly nice guy, generous and thoughtful despite the napoleonic complex.

Kevin

[one eyed fatman]

That's the company I applied with that runs bait ad's. Yes you can come and apply for jobs that don't exist.

[KD5NRH]

He's a typical Barney Fife, with a 5D Maglite instead of a bullet.

Gee...most of the sites I've seen prohibit anything over three-cell length.

Of course, since I prefer tac-lights for the brightness, until I save up enough spare change for a Borealis, I don't carry anything nearly that big. I'd love to have one of those fancy critters with a built-in night vision video camera and audio recorder, but I can't see spending $2,000 on a flashlight that doesn't have at least a coffemaker and cellphone in it.

[Commander]

What kind of sucks about this whole thing is the DPS is in charge of security officer training (armed and unarmed) and CHL licensing. .................... Of course if the DPS keeps both security and CHL separate they can collect more fee's.

DPS does not make the laws, the legislature does.....and the fees go to the state's General Revenue Fund, not the DPS budget.

[KBCraig]

He's a typical Barney Fife, with a 5D Maglite instead of a bullet.

Gee...most of the sites I've seen prohibit anything over three-cell length.

He works at a manufacturing plant in Louisiana. I know he carr(ied) a 5D, because he brought it out to show off when he was visiting once, and then forgot it; it's still sitting on my mantel.

Back when I carried Maglites, I carried a 3D, but the C-cell models were better weapons.

These days, I carry a Surefire clone. They can't hit what they can't see, and nothing says "instant blindness" like one of the compact CR123 lights.

Kevin