Jay walking + swat team?

Frost · Post by **Frost** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:50 pm

My understanding is that Washington is "shall issue." This could have turned out badly.

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WarHawk-AVG · Post by **WarHawk-AVG** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:03 pm

Sounds like the Seattle PD is in for some MUCH needed training..especially their unmarked units

Good grief!

Will938 · Post by **Will938** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:01 am

So what would you do if an unmarked van screeched to a halt infront of you, two people wearing dark clothing (who haven't identified themselves as police) started throwing your girlfriend around and tried to man handle you?

These things really get on my nerves since my first thought would be "We're being assaulted/kidnapped". I'd obviously put up a fight, might even start shooting if I got a chance, that would be just great.

and what about this genius:

Last month, 21-year-old Andrew Rutherford ended up bloodied and in the hospital after an off-duty Seattle officer in a civilian car pulled over the Jeep carrying Rutherford and his friends in West Seattle. Rutherford says the officer pulled out a gun, never showed his badge and didn't immediately identify himself. He and his friends thought they were being carjacked -- until uniformed cops stampeded in.

I most definately would of shot him, what was he thinking? And where would that land me...in Texas of course.

DoubleJ · Post by **DoubleJ** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:53 am

coming directly from a "Professional Sporting Event," you would not have been armed.
Pepper spray, or maaaaaaybe a knife, but def not a HandGun (according to Tx law, at least).

as soon as the tires screeched and someone got out of a vehicle, they *should* have put some distance between their "assailants" and them.

Xander · Post by **Xander** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:16 am

DoubleJ wrote:coming directly from a "Professional Sporting Event," you would not have been armed.

Professional sporting events aren't off-limits in Washington, as far as I can find.

DoubleJ · Post by **DoubleJ** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:42 am

Thanks, just applying it to Tx law.

Have some folks who live in Wa, maybe they can help shed some light...

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:21 pm

Interesting story.

Reminds me of a case several years ago where an undercover cop, armed, wearing a black mask went into a convenience store to arrest 2 suspects. The convenience store clerks saw what they thought was an armed robber and shot the masked cop to the ground. Fortunately the cop survived and the original suspects were captured.

Afterwards, having thought about it, it was obvious to all what a bad idea it was to walk in with a gun and mask.

AFJailor · Post by **AFJailor** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:23 pm

Try to keep in mind that this is based solely off of the canadian guys perspective and the obviously biased writer. Most people are very anti-police and while this does sound like they might of taken it too far we will never know truly what happened there.

It's easy to sit in front of your computer and judge people after reading a story but reading a story and actually being in a situation are two entirely different things.

DoubleJ · Post by **DoubleJ** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:48 pm

absolutely, and until I am given the "other" side of the story, I can only be expected to comment on the information at hand.

as more info is (if) released, we can all adjust our senitments then.

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:19 pm

Seattle Police already have quite a reputation as hard-nosed on jaywalking.

Here's one resident who was the victim of an assault by a large group of people, and was the only one arrested:

http://packratt.blogspot.com/2007/09/le ... -aclu.html

rkhal · Post by **rkhal** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:48 pm

AFJailor wrote:Try to keep in mind that this is based solely off of the canadian guys perspective and the obviously biased writer. .

Canadian Perspective? Obviously biased? The writer listed several similar incidents. Hard to justify throwing someone to the ground for a jaywalking incident.

The reason people are unhappy with some police is because in most instances it is your word against the police and you lose. If the cop lies or overreacts there is nothing you can do. This gives you a feeling of helplessness that no one is willing to put up with. So if the police have this kind of power they have to go the extra mile to not abuse it. Just as we being armed have to practice greater discretion than an unarmed person in the situations we allow ourselves into and how we react.