Well... there goes Constitutional Carry

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Re: Well... there goes Constitutional Carry

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Post by Maxwell » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:37 pm

Abraham wrote:
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Others bad behavior reminds when I was in Army Basic Training.

One guy screwed up so 199 of us were punished...dumb.
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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:43 pm

I always find it perplexing to read posts from those claiming to be pro gun who mention laws that are anti gun they like.

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:
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We passed pro-gun bills in 2017 and we killed all anti-gun bills. Those that passed included a reduction of the LTC fee from $140 to $40 and that's a huge improvement.

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Post by DXer » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:04 pm

We all have rights. Gun ownership is an institution as is the consumption of alcohol, but in my experience, gun powder and alcohol do not mix, and if an individual makes the CHOICE to consume simultaneously with carrying, then something needs to give. Remember, we have rights, but stupid behavior trumps everything.


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Post by jason812 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:05 pm

DXer wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:04 pm
We all have rights. Gun ownership is an institution as is the consumption of alcohol, but in my experience, gun powder and alcohol do not mix, and if an individual makes the CHOICE to consume simultaneously with carrying, then something needs to give. Remember, we have rights, but stupid behavior trumps everything.
And you punish those who make dumb mistakes accordingly. Not the rest of us because someone might do something stupid.

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:13 pm

DXer wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:04 pm
We all have rights. Gun ownership is an institution as is the consumption of alcohol, but in my experience, gun powder and alcohol do not mix, and if an individual makes the CHOICE to consume simultaneously with carrying, then something needs to give. Remember, we have rights, but stupid behavior trumps everything.
And who is the one who decides which rights are by government permission only?


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Post by DXer » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:21 pm

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And you punish those who make dumb mistakes accordingly.
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Post by DXer » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:28 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:13 pm
DXer wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:04 pm
We all have rights. Gun ownership is an institution as is the consumption of alcohol, but in my experience, gun powder and alcohol do not mix, and if an individual makes the CHOICE to consume simultaneously with carrying, then something needs to give. Remember, we have rights, but stupid behavior trumps everything.
And who is the one who decides which rights are by government permission only?
Beats me, but are you suggesting it is ok to drink and carry? In my world you can get really loaded and take an Uber home, or you can be stone sober and carry with confidence. The risk you take when carrying while inebriated exceeds the value of carrying. I'm saying you can drink or you can carry, but you really shouldn't do both in the same time frame.

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:40 pm

Many people drink and carry with no issues. There are members on this very forum who will have a beer or drink with dinner while carrying.


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Post by TexanVeteran » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:43 pm

DXer wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:28 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:13 pm
DXer wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:04 pm
We all have rights. Gun ownership is an institution as is the consumption of alcohol, but in my experience, gun powder and alcohol do not mix, and if an individual makes the CHOICE to consume simultaneously with carrying, then something needs to give. Remember, we have rights, but stupid behavior trumps everything.
And who is the one who decides which rights are by government permission only?
Beats me, but are you suggesting it is ok to drink and carry? In my world you can get really loaded and take an Uber home, or you can be stone sober and carry with confidence. The risk you take when carrying while inebriated exceeds the value of carrying. I'm saying you can drink or you can carry, but you really shouldn't do both in the same time frame.
It is actually already illegal to carry while you're drinking (unless you're on your own property, obviously). The problem comes in, though, is when you get drunk, that is when you will start acting all stupid and showing it off. If I have intentions to drink, I probably won't carry my gun into the bar with me. But that's just me. Besides, those 51% signs prohibit it anyway, if you're going into a bar or something of the sort.

If you're going to a restaurant that happens to serve alcohol, you're probably not going to get drunk. One or two glasses of beer or wine is not gonna hurt anything.


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Post by DXer » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:51 pm

You're probably right 99% of the time. If there is an incident, the bad guy is wounded or a bystander is injured, and you have had a beer, the BA is .01 or so, there is still room for someone to file a suit claiming you were impaired. You don't want to give them luxury. This all goes back to the first license class I had so many years ago.


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Re: Well... there goes Constitutional Carry

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Post by extremist » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:14 pm

TexanVeteran wrote:
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It is actually already illegal to carry while you're drinking
Respectfully, no it is not. You can be charged with "carrying while intoxicated", but that does not make it "illegal to carry while you're drinking".

You have to be caught, and charged, and proven to be intoxicated as defined by 49.01.
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Re: Well... there goes Constitutional Carry

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Post by Dragonfighter » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:32 am

OT, but when we visited the capitol last Summer, I ran across Speaker Strauss (no, not with my car) as he was skulking around near the cafeteria. I say "skulking" because as soon as I made eye contact, he averted his eyes and ducked into the cafeteria.
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Re: Well... there goes Constitutional Carry

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Post by C-dub » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:53 am

TexanVeteran wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:43 pm
It is actually already illegal to carry while you're drinking (unless you're on your own property, obviously).
Both parts of this are wrong. It is illegal to be intoxicated while carrying, but not simply drinking an alcoholic beverage. Location is irrelevant. Intoxicated is still intoxicated. The probability of being caught are much lower unless your next statement comes into play.
TexanVeteran wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:43 pm
The problem comes in, though, is when you get drunk, that is when you will start acting all stupid and showing it off.
Some people do. Most do not. For those that would, it is my own opinion that they probably do dumb things even when not intoxicated and may be generally irresponsible to begin with.
TexanVeteran wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:43 pm
If you're going to a restaurant that happens to serve alcohol, you're probably not going to get drunk. One or two glasses of beer or wine is not gonna hurt anything.
This sorta contradicts your earlier statement that it is illegal to drink while carrying. Or, more likely, you're stating your opinion that you think it shouldn't be, which it isn't.


TexasVeteran, it seems there has been a pattern where you have either been given incorrect information by your LTC instructor, or websites you've gleened information from were incorrect, or your own misinterpretation of statutes. So far, when this incorrect information was pointed out and you verified that you owned up to it. That's cool. We all make mistakes at some point about one thing or another. One of the greatest things about this forum is that the members are very intelligent and incorrect information can be corrected and make us all better stewards to educate others and make us safer.
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Re: Well... there goes Constitutional Carry

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Post by bigtek » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:08 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:43 pm
I always find it perplexing to read posts from those claiming to be pro gun who mention laws that are anti gun they like.
:iagree:

It's almost as perplexing as an organization claiming to be pro gun giving Straus an A grade.
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