Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by ScottDLS » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:00 pm

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I jus try completed my forms and used the Denton County Sheriff.....thanks for all the replies. And yes, it's just a notification, something I didn't have to do before the changes that went into effect (I have a trust).
That’s interesting. I didn’t realize that a trust allowed someone to circumvent having LE sign off on this before. And here I thought these changes only requiring notification were going to make these things easier.
That was the only reason 99% of people used trusts or other entities before. While the new regs in 2016 made it easier for people who previously couldn't find an acceptable (to ATF) CLEO to sign off, they now require photo and fingerprints for all the "responsible parties" of the entity. I got two machine guns and a silencer in 2002 and 2005 and was able to get the Denton County Sheriff at the time to sign off. Now that no sign off required all the cool stuff (transferable machine guns) have gone up 200-400%. $25,000 for a transferable M16... Sorry, I'll spend the money to get licensed as a Type 07/02 FFL manufacturer and build my own toys... :evil2:
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:31 pm

Although the primary motivation for setting up a trust is gone, i.e. CLEO sign-off, there is still a good reason to have one. If you have NFA items in your name in your collection, passing them along to an heir can be problematic. If you have a trust, those heirs can be part of the trust and you can add people like grandchildren as time allows. It makes life easier for your spouse, kids, grandchildren, etc.

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Post by carlson1 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:33 pm

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Although the primary motivation for setting up a trust is gone, i.e. CLEO sign-off, there is still a good reason to have one. If you have NFA items in your name in your collection, passing them along to an heir can be problematic. If you have a trust, those heirs can be part of the trust and you can add people like grandchildren as time allows. It makes life easier for your spouse, kids, grandchildren, etc.

Chas.
If you have one NFA item not under a trust and one NFA item under a trust how can you move the one that is not under the trust to the trust?
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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:43 pm

carlson1 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:33 pm
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:31 pm
Although the primary motivation for setting up a trust is gone, i.e. CLEO sign-off, there is still a good reason to have one. If you have NFA items in your name in your collection, passing them along to an heir can be problematic. If you have a trust, those heirs can be part of the trust and you can add people like grandchildren as time allows. It makes life easier for your spouse, kids, grandchildren, etc.

Chas.
If you have one NFA item not under a trust and one NFA item under a trust how can you move the one that is not under the trust to the trust?
If that is a tax-free transfer then you would use Form 5. If it's a taxable transfer, then it would be a Form 4 transfer. If it's taxable, it's not worth paying another $200. I added a link to my prior post. It's the BATFE letter on this issue.

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Post by DocV » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:39 pm

This is interesting as I am starting the same process. Called the McLennan County Sherrif's office. They referred me to Waco PD.
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Post by Jago668 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:43 pm

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This is interesting as I am starting the same process. Called the McLennan County Sherrif's office. They referred me to Waco PD.
You don't need to call them. Just put the information on the forms, and send it to whoever you choose that is on the ATFs list. They don't get to decide they don't want to deal with it.
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Post by Texas1836 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:49 am

Curious as to what a County Sheriff or Chief of Police does with these notifications. Stick them in a drawer, throw them away or keep them readily accessible? Do they have any requirements by law to handle these notifications in a certain manner?

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Post by C-dub » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:21 pm

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Curious as to what a County Sheriff or Chief of Police does with these notifications. Stick them in a drawer, throw them away or keep them readily accessible? Do they have any requirements by law to handle these notifications in a certain manner?
They make their own list of places NOT to do "no knock entries" and to be very cautious around and patient when waiting after knocking politely on the door. :biggrinjester:
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Post by QB » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:02 pm

Well my paperwork was just submitted and I mailed a copy of the Form 4 and the "Responsible Person" form for each member on my trust to the Denton County Sheriff.
This added requirement is a bummer but better than having to have a sign off. My other submissions a few years back were approved within 4 months but I hear I'm in for a longer wait this time. Guess I'll stock up on 9mm subsonic ammo in the meantime. :lol:
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Post by ScottDLS » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:27 pm

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Well my paperwork was just submitted and I mailed a copy of the Form 4 and the "Responsible Person" form for each member on my trust to the Denton County Sheriff.
This added requirement is a bummer but better than having to have a sign off. My other submissions a few years back were approved within 4 months but I hear I'm in for a longer wait this time. Guess I'll stock up on 9mm subsonic ammo in the meantime. :lol:
Yeah the new Denton County Sheriff said he would sign off if he was elected in 2015(?) (he was, and I voted for him), the previous one wouldn't.

In early 2000's Sheriff Weldon Lucas would sign (or his designate Lt. Johnny Guest), but that was 15+ years ago...

Now with the new regs you don't need sign off, but every "responsible member" of an entity has to do fingerprints and photo. I suspect that slows things up. I really want to buy another machine gun, but I can't handle the prices. Maybe I'll buy a silencer for one of my AR-15's or my pistols.
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Post by Jago668 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:28 pm

QB wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:02 pm
Well my paperwork was just submitted and I mailed a copy of the Form 4 and the "Responsible Person" form for each member on my trust to the Denton County Sheriff.
This added requirement is a bummer but better than having to have a sign off. My other submissions a few years back were approved within 4 months but I hear I'm in for a longer wait this time. Guess I'll stock up on 9mm subsonic ammo in the meantime. :lol:
Yeah I got an email from the American Suppressor Association that they checks are getting cashed, but with the shutdown nothing is actually getting down with the paperwork.
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Post by QB » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:45 pm

Jago668 wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:28 pm

Yeah I got an email from the American Suppressor Association that they checks are getting cashed, but with the shutdown nothing is actually getting down with the paperwork.
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Post by tbrown » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:26 pm

I know you have to notify ATF if you transport a registered item across state lines non-commercially, but do you/they notify CLEO in the other state(s)?

I believe there's no ATF notification requirement to transport a registered item within the state, but what about moving within Texas? Does the CLEO there get notified? If so, can you list the TxAG or DPS chief as CLEO? :evil2:

Thank you. I don't own any registered items yet but I'm considering it. I'm already on The List anyway, so what's a few bucks to legally "make" a SBR or integral hearing protection?
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