A Followup and Yet Another Reason Aggieland needs CHL

[Will938]

First, concerning the case we discussed the other week:

UPDATE: Second suspect apprehended.

On 10/12/07, at 1:30pm, the Texas A&M University Police Department Communications
Office received confirmation that EARL MARKEITH HENDERSON was in the custody of the
U. S. Marshals Gulf Coast Violent Offenders and Fugitive Task Force. Following a
Harris County Crime Stoppers tip, HENDERSON was arrested at a residence located in
the 10300 block of Shady Lane in Houston. HENDERSON was transported to the Harris
County Sheriff's Office and incarcerated. HENDERSON will be transported to Brazos
County at a later date.

Second, here we go again. Lucky she didn't get shot:

Unlawful Restraint with a Substantial Risk of Serious Bodily Injury

Ross Street near Heaton Hall

Texas A&M University-College Station



On October 11, 2007, a female Texas A&M student reported to the
University Police Department that eleven days earlier, she was a victim
of unlawful restraint near Heaton Hall. The student did not receive any
injuries.



The victim stated that on Sunday, September 30, 2007, at approximately
04:00 a.m., she was walking from the Library Annex to her room located
in the north residence hall area. As she walked along the sidewalk
adjacent to Heaton Hall, she was approached from behind by an unknown
male subject. The male subject wrapped his left arm around her left
waist and pulled her towards his body. The victim felt an object
pressed against her right temple area. The subject made a vocal remark
that placed the victim in imminent fear of possible serious bodily
injury. The subject began kissing the right side of the victim's neck.
Soon after kissing the victim's neck, the subject lowered the object
that he was holding to his side. At that time, the victim struck the
subject in the groin area with her right closed fist and fled the area.




The female victim is participating in the "Jane Doe" pseudonym program.
Unlawful restraint whereby the actor recklessly exposes the victim to a
substantial risk of serious bodily injury is a third degree felony. An
individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the third degree shall be
punished by imprisonment in the institutional division for any term of
not more than 10 years or less than 2 years. In addition to
imprisonment, an individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the third
degree may be punished by a fine not to exceed $10,000.



Suspect description:



African American male

Possible facial hair

When will these cowards (read school officials incharge of policy) understand that we need to be able to defend ourselves?

[Photoman]

When will these cowards (read school officials incharge of policy) understand that we need to be able to defend ourselves?

Believe me, when they start getting sued, they'll change their tune. Until then, good luck!

[Will938]

When will these cowards (read school officials incharge of policy) understand that we need to be able to defend ourselves?

Believe me, when they start getting sued, they'll change their tune. Until then, good luck!

I don't think they can be sued.

[frankie_the_yankee]

When will these cowards (read school officials incharge of policy) understand that we need to be able to defend ourselves?

Believe me, when they start getting sued, they'll change their tune. Until then, good luck!

I don't think they can be sued.

Why not?

[Will938]

When will these cowards (read school officials incharge of policy) understand that we need to be able to defend ourselves?

Believe me, when they start getting sued, they'll change their tune. Until then, good luck!

I don't think they can be sued.

Why not?

Well let me rephrase, a case would be very hard to win as they represent the state government.

[Liberty]

When will these cowards (read school officials incharge of policy) understand that we need to be able to defend ourselves?

Believe me, when they start getting sued, they'll change their tune. Until then, good luck!

I don't think they can be sued.

Why not?

No one has succeded at this yet. If suing the post office would work every time someone went postal the victims would have been able to collect a fortune. The Schools have further protection because there are state and federal laws suggesting it is a bad idea. So far as far as we know no one has ever successfully sued even a privately owned work place such as a 7-11 for not allowing the employees to carry.

[AEA]

Maybe we should start attacking these useless and dangerous policies in Court?

We have 2188 Registered Users on this Site. Think it's worth 10.00 to each of us to systematically start chipping away at these things? If necessary would each member go 100.00 to protect our rights and the lives of the people forced to go into these Killing Fields?

I know I would........
I'm not saying this is the fight to pick, but we could pick one and go from there. If we could win one, the next one would be much easier! Instead of complaining about it and discussing it to death, we might actually be able to do something about it. After all.....no one ever thought that DC could be taken to Court either!

So we Pick the fight and start a Class Action Suit against the offender. Maybe get Charles to help us Pro Bono?

[Liberty]

Maybe we should start attacking these useless and dangerous policies in Court?

We have 2188 Registered Users on this Site. Think it's worth 10.00 to each of us to systematically start chipping away at these things? If necessary would each member go 100.00 to protect our rights and the lives of the people forced to go into these Killing Fields?

I know I would........
I'm not saying this is the fight to pick, but we could pick one and go from there. If we could win one, the next one would be much easier! Instead of complaining about it and discussing it to death, we might actually be able to do something about it. After all.....no one ever thought that DC could be taken to Court either!

So we Pick the fight and start a Class Action Suit against the offender. Maybe get Charles to help us Pro Bono?

A class action suit. Don't we need to be able to demonstrate a loss.? The best investment migth be to support candidates that are gun friendly in the state legislative races. This is where the battle needs to be fought.

I did suggest earlier in the year that the TSRA really should go after a school a bill. I was informed that it they were picking their battles and that a school gun bill was too much on their plate. The TSRA was pushing quite a bit this year. Privacy issues. Parking lot bills. Revamping the traveling law, and fighting a few bills. This was before a couple of the highly publicized school shootings. Since these shootings the public has become more understanding of the issues and even Governor Perry has publicly stated that CHL carry should be legal in the schools.

I still won't give the TSRA a bloody cent until they recognize that there some 3rd party candidates that stand for the RKBA I will support candidates that see things my way.

[AEA]

A class action suit. Don't we need to be able to demonstrate a loss.?

I think the demonstration would be our loss of our 2nd Amendment Rights and the loss of the Rights "granted" to us under the laws of the Texas CHL should be enough to demonstrate that we are suffering a loss.

How about my loss of free movement in a free State/Country?

[frankie_the_yankee]

A class action suit. Don't we need to be able to demonstrate a loss.?

I think the demonstration would be our loss of our 2nd Amendment Rights and the loss of the Rights "granted" to us under the laws of the Texas CHL should be enough to demonstrate that we are suffering a loss.

How about my loss of free movement in a free State/Country?

I think that at a minimum we would need a victim that had a CHL and was prohibited from carrying.

[AEA]

Well,.....unfortunately, that may not be too long in coming!

[dustyb]

When I was a freshman in '88, there were a couple of rapes. The University installed emergency phones around the campus, and the Corps would escort women after dark. I don't remember anyone getting arrested for the rapes, but they seemed to stop. I think the possibilty of armed coeds would be a much greater deterrent to would-be rapists.

[stevie_d_64]

Well,.....unfortunately, that may not be too long in coming!

With all due respect for your passion on the issue, I sure that statement "might" be used against you in a court of law as some kind of pre-meditated act or intent, or something...

I wouldn't advertise yourself desiring to be a "test" case...

Even though I agree with you that you should not be restricted from utilizing certain methods and techniques to defend yourself...

[Crash]

Is this a real case you are reporting, or simply an example of the sort of thing that happens all too often on college campuses. The reason that I am asking is that there are two things that strike me as odd about the case:

1. I know that it is typical in such cases that the vicitims are hesitant to come forward, but is there some reason she waited 11 days?

2. She has every right to go anywhere on campus any time of night or day, but why was she going from the Library Annex to her dorm at 4:00 in the morning?

Believe me, I'm not one of those men who says (or thinks) "Aw, she was asking for it," but it seems to me that if this is a real case it points up a couple of things that women need to realize:

a. Waiting 11 days to report such a crime won't help her own case nor the cases of other women who were vicitimized by this criminal.

b. There are certain practices that are unsafe and should be avoided--and walking anywhere by oneself at 4:00 in the morning is one of them.

Crash

[Will938]

Is this a real case you are reporting, or simply an example of the sort of thing that happens all too often on college campuses. The reason that I am asking is that there are two things that strike me as odd about the case:

b. There are certain practices that are unsafe and should be avoided--and walking anywhere by oneself at 4:00 in the morning is one of them.

Crash

Yes this is a real case, which gets sent to me because of federal law requiring it.

A person should never ever have to refrain from getting work done because of the hour of day. I'm often at school until 2-3AM studying, I'll never stay home because its dark out. I take bike rides through campus well after midnight often times just because I enjoy it, then again I'm armed when I do that. If it is unsafe then the school needs to do something about it, we have responsibilities to get work done. I know it isn't as important as my safety, but due to the minimal risk my teachers aren't going to accept that as a good reason.

I agree that waiting to report a crime like this is stupid, it puts others at risk.