Overdose Suspect Is Revived By Narcan and Fatally Shoots Firefighter

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Overdose Suspect Is Revived By Narcan and Fatally Shoots Firefighter

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Post by gamboolman » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:42 am

Our daughter is a Paramedic and things like what happened here - worry me for her safety.

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"Body camera footage from a deadly officer-involved shooting has been released, giving insight into how an Appleton, Wisconsin firefighter was slain while attempting to provide care."

Looks to me like the Cops instincts were right - unfortunately, just not in time.

Prayers and condolences for the family of the slain Firefighter murdered by this thug.

https://lawofficer.com/news/video-overd ... refighter/
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Post by C-dub » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:50 am

I wonder if the police would have been within their legal rights to search him before the paramedics revived him.
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Post by puma guy » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:59 pm

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Post by Daddio-on-patio » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:17 pm

C-dub wrote:
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I wonder if the police would have been within their legal rights to search him before the paramedics revived him.
As a first responder the number 1 rule, heck 1 thru 10, is crew safety. An incapacitated person that you respond to falls under implied consent. You need no other justification for treatment or to justify searching the patient for any thing that has the potential to compromise safety. If the responder goes down there will be no care provided.
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Post by Liberty » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:59 pm

Narcan should be banned. Incidents like this wouldn't happen, and the opioid/fentanyl crises would resolve itself. People who set out on a path of self-destruction should be allowed to reach their destination.
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:06 pm

Liberty wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:59 pm
Narcan should be banned. Incidents like this wouldn't happen, and the opioid/fentanyl crises would resolve itself. People who set out on a path of self-destruction should be allowed to reach their destination.
Right, cause everyone that is exposed to drugs deserves to die? Really? Check yourself. :totap:

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Post by crazy2medic » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:52 pm

Your suppose to give them just enough narcan to get their breathing up but not enough to bring them conscious, if you give them a full dose it brings them all the way up and they are mad as heck you robbed them of their high!
What we would do is put them on a backboard, strap them down good and then give them the full dose, they'd be very very very upset and their language would be very colorful!
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:10 pm

crazy2medic wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:52 pm
Your suppose to give them just enough narcan to get their breathing up but not enough to bring them conscious, if you give them a full dose it brings them all the way up and they are mad as heck you robbed them of their high!
What we would do is put them on a backboard, strap them down good and then give them the full dose, they'd be very very very upset and their language would be very colorful!
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Post by SRO1911 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:57 pm

Titrate for effect and transport. Other sources indicated additional doses were given to deliberately restore consciousness, wrong on multiple levels.
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Post by SRO1911 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:10 pm

Liberty wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:59 pm
Narcan should be banned. Incidents like this wouldn't happen, and the opioid/fentanyl crises would resolve itself. People who set out on a path of self-destruction should be allowed to reach their destination.
So the mother of 3 grandmother of 7 great grandma of many whom I recently gave numerous doses of narcan should have been intubated - which is the best alternative to naloxone, and extremely traumatic and given her age and conditions probably permanent - because her dentist is an idiot and prescribed an opioid without considering the fact that she was on a fairly potent fentanyl patch for BONE CANCER?

As EMS, we don't have the luxury of judgement - there are only 2 categories, too dead and not too dead. Our job is to make sure not too dead stays that way. Everyone is someone's child, is someone's husband\wife\girlfriend\boyfriend - it doesn't matter.

I absolutely support expanding the death penalty beyond just capital murder - pedophiles, rapists, child abusers and telemarketers among others deserve the gallows as an option - but I'll be dam**d if EMS gets to be judge, jury, and Executioner.
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Post by anygunanywhere » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:54 pm

SRO1911 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:10 pm
Liberty wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:59 pm
Narcan should be banned. Incidents like this wouldn't happen, and the opioid/fentanyl crises would resolve itself. People who set out on a path of self-destruction should be allowed to reach their destination.
So the mother of 3 grandmother of 7 great grandma of many whom I recently gave numerous doses of narcan should have been intubated - which is the best alternative to naloxone, and extremely traumatic and given her age and conditions probably permanent - because her dentist is an idiot and prescribed an opioid without considering the fact that she was on a fairly potent fentanyl patch for BONE CANCER?

As EMS, we don't have the luxury of judgement - there are only 2 categories, too dead and not too dead. Our job is to make sure not too dead stays that way. Everyone is someone's child, is someone's husband\wife\girlfriend\boyfriend - it doesn't matter.

I absolutely support expanding the death penalty beyond just capital murder - pedophiles, rapists, child abusers and telemarketers among others deserve the gallows as an option - but I'll be dam**d if EMS gets to be judge, jury, and Executioner.
Great post sir.
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Post by RPBrown » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:46 am

:iagree:
anygunanywhere wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:54 pm
SRO1911 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:10 pm
Liberty wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:59 pm
Narcan should be banned. Incidents like this wouldn't happen, and the opioid/fentanyl crises would resolve itself. People who set out on a path of self-destruction should be allowed to reach their destination.
So the mother of 3 grandmother of 7 great grandma of many whom I recently gave numerous doses of narcan should have been intubated - which is the best alternative to naloxone, and extremely traumatic and given her age and conditions probably permanent - because her dentist is an idiot and prescribed an opioid without considering the fact that she was on a fairly potent fentanyl patch for BONE CANCER?

As EMS, we don't have the luxury of judgement - there are only 2 categories, too dead and not too dead. Our job is to make sure not too dead stays that way. Everyone is someone's child, is someone's husband\wife\girlfriend\boyfriend - it doesn't matter.

I absolutely support expanding the death penalty beyond just capital murder - pedophiles, rapists, child abusers and telemarketers among others deserve the gallows as an option - but I'll be dam**d if EMS gets to be judge, jury, and Executioner.
Great post sir.
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Post by Paladin » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:41 pm

My condolences to those who were harmed by Ruben Houston's actions. The fact that needle usage is so common in these cases complicates the search for weapons. Looks like Houston was willing to kill to stay out of jail.

I am glad that the officers were able respond effectively and stop Houston. :tiphat:
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Post by DynamicDan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:00 pm

It is just tragic, unfortunately they will continue to happen. We make mistakes that cost us because we are human.

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Post by narcissist » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:06 pm

:fire First I'm truly sorry for the family of the victim, but narcan is used way to much now days. It takes a LOT more drugs then you think to O.D. 90% of the time the person will wake up in about 6 to 12 hours. You won't be able to wake them and thats why people panic and call 911, if not we'll it was their choice. :banghead:
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