Are batons legal to carry in the car?

[Reloader]

Just carry a Maglight...perfectly legal.

[McKnife]

McKnife wrote:
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PC §46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control.(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly,
or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:


So, does this mean I can carry my butterfly knife and ASP baton in my vehicle now? -- looks like it to me. hmmm


Yes.

I have to disagree. A butterfly knife is not an "illegal knife"; it is a "prohibited weapon", and would still be illegal to carry.

PC 46.01(11)(B) is the definition of a "switchblade knife", and is written so that butterfly knives fall into the definition. PC 46.05(a)(5) classifies "switchblade knives" as prohibited weapons.

The change will make it legal to carry the ASP in your car, as well as an "illegal knife" (more than 5.5 inches long; bowie knife; dirk; dagger; stilleto, etc.). But not prohibited weapons.

Kevin

Kevin's right; I missed the butterfly knife part.

Sorry,
Chas.

YES!! -- You CAN carry your ASP in your vehicle.

[KD5NRH]

I my experience, an untrained person will swing a baton at a person's head or torso. Clearly deady force. I realize that a person could use it in a manner that would not be deadly force, but the reality is an untrained person will be reacting, and we both know what that means. ;)

How would this apply to a kubotan? I can see temple or larynx strikes being deadly force, but armpit or solar plexus strikes can be pretty effective without causing serious injury.

The lethal potential of holds would seem to be similarly variable.

(For the record, I'm referring to something like the Monadnock Persuader or Super Sharpie, with relatively blunt ends, used in short jabs, not the semi-pointy things out there, or trying to force the baton through an opponent in spite of the bluntness.)

[txinvestigator]

I my experience, an untrained person will swing a baton at a person's head or torso. Clearly deady force. I realize that a person could use it in a manner that would not be deadly force, but the reality is an untrained person will be reacting, and we both know what that means. ;)

How would this apply to a kubotan? I can see temple or larynx strikes being deadly force, but armpit or solar plexus strikes can be pretty effective without causing serious injury.

Sounds like a person with some training. ;)

[KD5NRH]

How would this apply to a kubotan? I can see temple or larynx strikes being deadly force, but armpit or solar plexus strikes can be pretty effective without causing serious injury.

Sounds like a person with some training. ;)

A bit, but all off-the-record; I worked a somewhat boring job with a guy who taught self-defense on the side. He wanted sparring partners, so several of us ended up getting free lessons at work. I never got as good as I wanted to, but I can't find anybody in this area that teaches the more practical techniques. I'm confident that I can discourage an untrained attacker long enough to transition to a better weapon, but I've still got a lot to learn in that department.

[goodpureinnocent]

I just moved into a new apt and found a butterfly knive under a shelf ledge so did some looking around. Possession is defined as, "The legal definition of possession is whether a person has actual care, custody, or management of an item."

Per the 2004 Penal Code:

Sec. 46.05. Prohibited Weapons.
(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:
(5) a switchblade knife;

As previously noted: the definition:

Sec. 46.01. Definitions.
(11) "Switchblade knife" means any knife that has a blade that folds, closes, or retracts into the handle or sheath, and that:
(A) opens automatically by pressure applied to a button or other device located on the handle; or
(B) opens or releases a blade from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or by the

So, the way I'm reading it...it's not legal in any sense of the word...am I getting rid of it?...officially....SURE!! O:)

[AFJailor]

I loved the ASP training they gave us, we did a few hours of class and then a few hours of beating the heck out of eachother. The RedMan suit is great for baton training.

Sadly bored Airmen+steel beating sticks= lots and lots of things destroyed. Shortly after recieving the training they took them away from us. Which sucked for the few of us that do patrol, because then all you have is a M4 and an M9 and no less than lethal force. Not that we ever get anything to exciting up here, just lots of drunks and guys who like to beat on their wives.

[srothstein]

I just moved into a new apt and found a butterfly knive under a shelf ledge so did some looking around. Possession is defined as, "The legal definition of possession is whether a person has actual care, custody, or management of an item."

Per the 2004 Penal Code:

Sec. 46.05. Prohibited Weapons.
(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:
(5) a switchblade knife;

<snip> So, the way I'm reading it...it's not legal in any sense of the word...am I getting rid of it?...officially....SURE!! O:)

You missed 46.05(d)(1):

(d) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the actor's conduct:
(1) was incidental to dealing with a switchblade knife, springblade knife, or short-barrel firearm solely as an antique or curio; or

You were just keeping it as a curio, right?