CHL Shooting

TxD · Post by **TxD** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:52 am

CHLers making a lot of noise with their guns.

Wonder why the Sig guy was so late to the fight?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 9120.story

AEA · Post by **AEA** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:01 am

Unfortunately, they need to practice a bit more! That number of shots, both at close and moderate range with no hits is not very good! Surprise and readiness/willingness was their friend though.

If they had been legally open carrying, they would not have even been approached by the BG's.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:11 am

AEA wrote:Unfortunately, they need to practice a bit more! That number of shots, both at close and moderate range with no hits is not very good! Surprise and readiness/willingness was their friend though.

If they had been legally open carrying, they would not have even been approached by the BG's.

That is an assumption, and one I don't share.

RIght here is Dallas not too long ago two armored car guards, openly carrying, were held up.

AEA · Post by **AEA** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:15 am

Well, I understand and appreciate your point......

But,.......

The armored car guards were "protecting" a "Target" of which another "easier" one was not available around the next corner.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:18 am

AEA wrote:Well, I understand and appreciate your point......

But,.......

The armored car guards were "protecting" a "Target" of which another "easier" one was not available around the next corner.

So what? How do you know that the BGs would not have just shot the people first had they been open carrying. I mean, if we are inventing stories...........................

AEA · Post by **AEA** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:21 am

Well,.....it is as you say, an assumption.

I assume that street criminals would prefer NOT to engage in a KNOWN gunfight when they can easily find a softer target.

Turfspanker · Post by **Turfspanker** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:31 am

AEA wrote:Well,.....it is as you say, an assumption.

I assume that street criminals would prefer NOT to engage in a KNOWN gunfight when they can easily find a softer target.

Thats a good point, but IMHO I don't consider a gun either open or obviously printing to be a bad guy shield. Bad Guys would really, really like to have your gun. Its why many LEO's opt for Level III holsters. If you ever find yourself in a ground fight your first action is to protect your weapon. Ask any LEO who has been through the Austin Academy.

DoubleJ · Post by **DoubleJ** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:34 am

Aaaaaaaaaaaah, yes. any chance to open the OC can o' worms...

anyway, more like, that dude's lucky the DB's were bad shots. course, doesn't say whether or not they moved to cover.
and "we" don't know if any hits were made. every single one of those shots could have very well been "on target." Simply because the DB's weren't found DRT, doesn't mean they didn't sustain injuries. remember that old adage about foo's continuing the attack (or in this case, retreat) after having sustained multiple hits?
this very well could have been the case. I don't live in Florida, so I'll probably never know.

BTW, anyone notice the Sig .357 Magnum???? Me thinks it more likely was a .357 Sig round.

but that's just me...

NcongruNt · Post by **NcongruNt** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:47 am

Back to the subject of the original posting...

It's good to see the police spokeswoman giving CHL and defense in general a positive comment. I'm tired of hearing the "comply and no one gets hurt" nonsense from police departments, and it's good to hear something affirming people's right to defend themselves.

What also struck me about this story is that the two CHLers in this story are ethnic minorities. It's not often you see stories about regular working guys who happen to be minorities taking responsibility for their own safety by obtaining a CHL and carrying to defend themselves. Personally, someone's race is neither here nor there, but the overwhelming depiction by the news media about "gun nuts" who carry has been the white male "vigilante" image. What really strikes me about the story is that these were 2 men defending themselves from a crime. There's no insinuation that they "escalated" the situation by carrying, or that they should have folded over to avoid a violent confrontation or some other such hogwash.

It's good to see a story devoid of undertones of accusation directed at the victims of a violent crime who defended themselves.

AEA · Post by **AEA** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:49 am

Well said!

TxD · Post by **TxD** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:59 am

NcongruNt wrote:Back to the subject of the original posting...

It's good to see a story devoid of undertones of accusation directed at the victims of a violent crime who defended themselves.

Agreed, and I especially noticed this in the headline of the article.

The CHL guys are referred to as "victims".

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:40 pm

".357 Magnum Sig Sauer pistol"?

Oh, well. Close enough for journalism.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:26 pm

KBCraig wrote:".357 Magnum Sig Sauer pistol"?

You didn't get yours?

frankie_the_yankee · Post by **frankie_the_yankee** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:50 pm

AEA wrote: Unfortunately, they need to practice a bit more! That number of shots, both at close and moderate range with no hits is not very good! Surprise and readiness/willingness was their friend though.

I agree.

AEA wrote: If they had been legally open carrying, they would not have even been approached by the BG's.

How can you say that "surprise .... was their friend" and at the same time opine that they should have been OCing?

With OC, there is no surprise.

If they had been OCing, maybe the BG's just would have capped them without a word and then robbed them.

IOW, the BG's would have been the ones to spring a surprise.

WarHawk-AVG · Post by **WarHawk-AVG** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:08 pm

KBCraig wrote:".357 Magnum Sig Sauer pistol"?

Oh, well. Close enough for journalism.

Yah luckily it didn't become an assault pistol or something