Feb '08 CH Magazine

[frankie_the_yankee]

Two good articles in the current issue of Combat Handguns. In one, Ayoob tackles the subject of whether hollowpoints subject the user to additional legal liability due to their enhanced "deadliness". Conclusion - they don't.

In the other, Ed Lovette summarized data from a large number of armed citizen encounters and lists the things that happen most often.

Examples:

Number of VCA's (Violent Criminal Attackers): Usually a single young male, sometimes two.

Location of Assault: Most often a residence. Next most likely, a business.

Distances involved: 0 to 10 feet. Usually 3 to 10 feet.

And many others.

He doesn't say exactly where all this information comes from other than from looking through 'what he had on hand', but there's a lot of good stuff there. Almost enough to make an episode of "Mythbusters".

Also, nice ad for EAA on facing page.

[Liberty]

Two good articles in the current issue of Combat Handguns. In one, Ayoob tackles the subject of whether hollowpoints subject the user to additional legal liability due to their enhanced "deadliness". Conclusion - they don't.

We all knew that already.
The experts have been posting this advise here for almost forever. A justifiable shoot in Texas is not normally going to get you sued. Whether the gun is mean, the ammo is ugly, oreven has an evil name. No one in Texas ever got in trouble just because he was using Black Talons.

While I have a lot of respect for a lot of things Mr Ayoob has written about, I trust the legal advise given here a lot more than Ayoobs's judging from some things he has written it is just about irrelevant when it comes to Texas. The real experts on Texas CHL selfdefense law happen to post right here. I have no doubt Mr. Ayoob understands how it works in New Hampshire, but when he projects legal advise to his readership, it's not particularly going to apply in Texas. We have a little bit of a different attitude about defensive shooting here in Texas than most of the East Coast.

[AWMP]

Always good to have as much info as possible.

[Moonpie]

Will have to go get a copy.

Ayoob is okay. Most of what he writes is sensible.

[Liberty]

Will have to go get a copy.

Ayoob is okay. Most of what he writes is sensible.

I didn't mean to be overcritical of Ayoob, It is Just that Texas is different than the rest of the country, and their are some real experts posting here. One of the issues with gun and CHL law in Texas is that it tends to change dramatically every 2 years.

[seamusTX]

I didn't mean to be overcritical of Ayoob, It is Just that Texas is different than the rest of the country,

It's New York that is different from the rest of the country. Mr. Ayoob was a resident of New York when he wrote In Gravest Extreme in 1980. That was long before most places had concealed carry and "castle doctrine."

I agree that much of what he wrote in earlier years is not applicable in Texas. Look at some of the cases that have been considered justified use of deadly force here in recent years, like the guy who was smashing an unoccupied vehicle.

- Jim

[Greybeard]

Quote: "One of the issues with gun and CHL law in Texas is that it tends to change dramatically every 2 years."

I'd beg to differ with ya there. While there has been "tweaking" done every 2 years, I just have not viewed much as being "dramatic" since the CHL law passed in 1995 along with a couple of the changes that went into effect 9-1-07.

[frankie_the_yankee]

I didn't mean to be overcritical of Ayoob, It is Just that Texas is different than the rest of the country, and their are some real experts posting here.

I agree that some bona fide experts in TX self defense law post right here.

But I am a little confused over your posts in this thread, because Ayoob is agreeing with you, with me, and with the experts here. In the article, he says that the use of hollowpoints is not a significant factor in the legal aftermath of a lawfgul shooting.

This is fully in line with TX case law and experience, isn't it?

[Liberty]

This is fully in line with TX case law and experience, isn't it?

It sure seems to be. My warning was intended to be very general and not specific to that particular advice.

[elwood blooz]

and two great article's on the XD! Sorry, but I had to put that in.

[lawrnk]

Examples:

Number of VCA's (Violent Criminal Attackers): Usually a single young male, sometimes two.

I imagine it would not be PC of them to mention the race of most of those offenders?

[seamusTX]

The racial aspects of crime are a touchy subject, but here's some data from the U.S. Department of Justice:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

From 1976 to 2005 --

* 86% of white victims were killed by whites
* 94% of black victims were killed by blacks

- Jim

[Venus Pax]

But I am a little confused over your posts in this thread, because Ayoob is agreeing with you, with me, and with the experts here. In the article, he says that the use of hollowpoints is not a significant factor in the legal aftermath of a lawfgul shooting.

I think he was surprised that Ayoob's legal conclusion was the same as ours. I don't think he is being harsh on Ayoob, but simply realizing that Ayoob faces a different set of dominant attitudes in his region.

[Liberty]

But I am a little confused over your posts in this thread, because Ayoob is agreeing with you, with me, and with the experts here. In the article, he says that the use of hollowpoints is not a significant factor in the legal aftermath of a lawfgul shooting.

I think he was surprised that Ayoob's legal conclusion was the same as ours. I don't think he is being harsh on Ayoob, but simply realizing that Ayoob faces a different set of dominant attitudes in his region.

I think Ayoob deserves a lot of respect, he has a lot of good advice for all of us, When he starts talking about legal issues especially in the liability arena, I think we in Texas in have to take his advise with a grain of salt. He is gonna be right maybe even most of of the time, its just that if we learn to sift through the chaff the best information can be found right here. Frankie is right though and my posting could have been confusing. Ayoob was correct on the point he was making, even for us Texans.

[boomerang]

February 2008 issue?

And I thought stores were rushing things by putting up Christmas decorations before Halloween.