Felons & Firearms after 5 years

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:25 pm

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Ron Paul has some fabulous supporters and endorsements...

I'm just poking fun...Not trying to hack anyone off...We'll see if the support and money raised are accepted...

I'm hoping it is rejected...

SkipB · Post by **SkipB** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:46 pm

OK I usually just read these type of post but here goes. If a person is convicted of a felony and sent to prison then in my openion he or she shouldn't be allow to carry a weapon around with them period. When a person comments a crime that sends them to prison then they have done something very wrong to get there. Some of you on this forum complain all the time about the 30.06 and not being allowed to carry in some places and now your wanting to allow convicted felons to be allow to carry. Not me, I personally don't want to see guns in a convicted felon's hand period.

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:57 pm

SkipB wrote:When a person comments a crime that sends them to prison then they have done something very wrong to get there.

Like possessing an eagle feather?

Too many minor and bureaucratic things are felonies.

The Texas Legislature and U.S. Congress have already decided that reformed felons should be able to possess firearms after some time. The hangup is that Congress does not allow funding of the process.

And, BTW, they don't have to spend taxpayer money to do it. They could have a substantial application fee that paid for it.

- Jim

Post by **Keith B** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:05 pm

seamusTX wrote:Like possessing an eagle feather?

I think it depends on the felony that was committed. I don't have as much of an issue with someone who committed a victimless crime, but there are limitations. An example is a felony drug dealing conviction. No way should they be allowed to posses much less purchase a firearm. Drug possesion, maybe. Got mixed emotions on that one.

SkipB · Post by **SkipB** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:48 pm

I hear ya Jim, it's just my personal openion. I remember back a bunch of years while working at the FBPD and was called to jury duty at Dallas County. It was a case where a young man committed armed robbery at a 7-11, using a hand gun. I was ask if he pleaded guilty would I be willing to conceder probation. My answer was "NO", because I are another cop would have to go and arrest him and his gun, and I didn't in no way take that lightly. I know there are some law's on the books that need to be changed, but changing them is the answer as I see it, not allowing a reformed felon to carry. We stand on a premiss of not allowing exception on gun controll for if they get one foot in the door then they will get another. One felon can lead to another as I see it. By the way I didn't have to serve that day.

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:05 pm

Yes, it's a matter of opinion.

I believe that true repentance and forgiveness are possible. They're part of my religion.

- Jim

SkipB · Post by **SkipB** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:11 pm

OK

You got me there.

Venus Pax · Post by **Venus Pax** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:16 pm

seamusTX wrote:Yes, it's a matter of opinion.

I believe that true repentance and forgiveness are possible. They're part of my religion.

- Jim

I agree that true repentance and forgiveness are both possible and common. Without forgiveness, none of us would have any hope.
Trust, however, is earned.

NcongruNt · Post by **NcongruNt** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:12 am

Keith B wrote:
seamusTX wrote:Like possessing an eagle feather?

I think it depends on the felony that was committed. I don't have as much of an issue with someone who committed a victimless crime, but there are limitations. An example is a felony drug dealing conviction. No way should they be allowed to posses much less purchase a firearm. Drug possesion, maybe. Got mixed emotions on that one.

Even those two have nice and blurry lines separating them. If you happen to possess enough, you're charged with intent to distribute, and tagged a drug dealer. Suddenly the hippie who has a few pot plants growing for his own enjoyment is labeled a serious criminal and considered a drug dealer on the simple argument of the amount he possesses, regardless of any actual proof of an intent to distribute.

flb_78 · Post by **flb_78** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:49 am

So an 18 year kid who made a mistake should be punished for the rest of their natural born life? Nah.

If these people are so bad that they should not be allowed guns, then they shouldn't be on the street because if they really want them, they're going to find a gun, somewhere, somehow.

atxgun · Post by **atxgun** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:02 am

Keith B wrote: I think it depends on the felony that was committed. I don't have as much of an issue with someone who committed a victimless crime, but there are limitations. An example is a felony drug dealing conviction. No way should they be allowed to posses much less purchase a firearm. Drug possesion, maybe. Got mixed emotions on that one.

To start I'll say if someone's high they have no more right to be carrying than a person that is drunk. At the same time, remember alcohol is still a drug too, even though many people mentally separate it from "the others" for some reason.

I'm probably going to get slammed for the rest of this post but I think everything from pot to heroin & meth should be legal and regulated. People that are going to do it are doing it anyway. Legalizing it will eliminate the black market and do away with the associated crime. Let Darwinism sort out the folk that still choose that path.

lawrnk · Post by **lawrnk** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:03 pm

Slightly on topic, but I know people here say list everything. A co-worker of mine got his 10 days ago, he had 5 class C misdemeanor arrests more than ten years ago in Houston, didn't list one, and got plastic in 50 days.

Photoman · Post by **Photoman** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:32 pm

seamusTX wrote:I believe that true repentance and forgiveness are possible. They're part of my religion.

- Jim

Jesus said, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Even if a convicted armed robber has been born again, he should still be prohibited from owning firearms. My opinion.

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:09 pm

Photoman wrote:Even if a convicted armed robber has been born again, he should still be prohibited from owning firearms. My opinion.

Only armed robbers, or all felons?

What social purpose is served by prohibiting, say, G. Gordon Liddy from owning firearms for life? Is he likely to lie to Congress again?

- Jim

SkipB · Post by **SkipB** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:15 pm

Well what about the people that always obey the law, not perfect but good hard working honest citizans that have never been arrested for a felony and a person that you don't have to forgive. Should they be put in the same catagory as a felon.