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2 LSU Students Killed

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071214/ap_ ... ents_slain

I apologize if this is a repost.

I'd also like to add that we have a similar notification system at A&M. Not really sure how much good that would do, especially since they don't allow concealed carry on campus.
BATON ROUGE, La. - Police searched for suspects Friday in the shooting deaths of two Louisiana State University students, and unlike other schools in the wake of the Virginia Tech massacre, administrators decided against locking down the campus.

Police patrols were increased on the 30,000-student campus, and students were urged to be cautious as they wrapped up final exams and headed home for the Christmas break. But LSU Chancellor Sean O'Keefe said police chose not to blockade the campus or reschedule the tests after determining the two Ph.D. students from India were slain in an isolated home invasion.

The victims were found late Thursday after being shot in the head inside an apartment complex for married and graduate students. One was tied up with a computer cable.

The decision to keep campus open — and let traffic and people move freely — was in sharp contrast to the responses at other colleges to reports of gunfire after the Virginia Tech shootings in April.

"There was no evidence, nothing to suggest that there was a pattern here that would rapidly escalate. And as a consequence of that, a determination was made that we would not lock down the campus," O'Keefe said.

This fall, officials at the University of Memphis canceled class the day after football player Taylor Bradford was shot because authorities were uncertain at the time whether it was a targeted or random attack. After two students were shot in September at Delaware State University, administrators ordered a swift shutdown of the campus, citing the Virginia Tech shootings.

LSU's campus would be difficult to block off from drivers and walkers. The university does not have gates at its many entrances, and at least two major city roads run through the campus. O'Keefe said the university took many precautions to notify students about the shootings but felt a shutdown of campus was unnecessary.

But at least one of the LSU notification systems — a text-messaging alert system put in place after the Virginia Tech shootings — failed to notify all 8,000 students who signed up.

The two slain students, Chandrasekhar Reddy Komma and Kiran Kumar Allam, were found at Edward Gay apartment complex, on the edge of campus near a high-crime area of Baton Rouge. Komma had been bound with a computer cable, and Allam was found near the door, said university spokesman Charles Zewe.

Allam's pregnant wife called 911 after finding the men dead, said Srinivasa Pothakamuri, a friend of Komma. Komma, a biochemistry student, had been visiting Allam, who was in the chemistry program.

O'Keefe said nothing appeared to be stolen from the apartment, leaving police unclear about a motive. Zewe said police were searching for three men seen leaving the area.

The complex has a tall fence separating it from the off-campus neighborhood, but the apartments have no gates or surveillance cameras. Resident Omer Soysal said attempted break-ins and holdups are common at the apartments.

"When it is dark, I tell my kids: 'Don't go outside,'" said Soysal, 37, a third-year Ph.D. candidate in computer science.

LSU officials sent a campus-wide alert out after midnight, more than an hour and a half after the shootings. Officials sent out e-mail and voice-mail messages and posted a message on the university's Web site. But the text message alert did not reach all its recipients.

It was not clear what caused the failure, and the problem was being investigated.

Shenid Bayroo, a graduate student in mass communications, said he signed up for the text-messaging system days after it was set up, but never received any messages, before or after the shootings.

"There haven't been any," Bayroo said. "Many of us took comfort that LSU implemented this system, so it's worrisome that the system doesn't work."

Less than one-third of the student body had even signed up for the cell phone notification, though O'Keefe said university officials had stressed the need to do so after Virginia Tech.

"Registration spiked at one point, as I recall, over the summer and then trickled off," O'Keefe said. "This horrific incident is yet another reason why it is really a very good idea to register for the system, and we will again redouble our efforts."

The efforts will run into trouble with students like Cameron Hanover, a senior in political science, who said he didn't sign up and neither did any of his friends.

"I didn't want them to have my phone number. It's a privacy issue," he said.
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It only took them an hour after the shooting to send out an alert and some students never got it,if LSU is a gun free zone how could this of happened don't criminals realise it's against the law.Somebody stated that attempted breakins on campus are normal :shock: i guess campus security isn't doing much in the way of prevention
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Two dead and once again, none of the victims had guns.
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Removed double post.
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I don't understand these calls to "lock down" a college campus, which is a place full of adults, and seldom any children. We don't lock down neighborhoods when a shooting occurs; why should a college campus be different?
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It doesn't make sense. What's ridiculous is that college campuses will do ANYTHING they can to keep concealed carry off their campus, even if their solutions are completely useless. Hopefully, they'll eventually pull their heads out and realize that the only was to rapidly deal with an armed BG is to have armed good guys.
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KBCraig wrote:I don't understand these calls to "lock down" a college campus, which is a place full of adults, and seldom any children. We don't lock down neighborhoods when a shooting occurs; why should a college campus be different?
Its about feeling good. Remember the VT shooting, the school was criticized for not locking dow the campus after the first 2 girls were discovered dead. They than locked down the campus after the shooter was found dead. That way everyone could feel good that the school did something about it.
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Lock downs are definitely about "feeling good" in a rather stupid way. Scary thing is, lock downs are pretty much part of every crisis plan in our public schools in Texas. In the wake of the VT shooting, a coworker and I were discussing what easy targets our public schools are making for themselves for terrorists, both domestic and foreign. Not only are our schools unarmed, the most common standard repsonse to a "shooter" situation is the "feel good" response that most administrators know as "shelter in place" which means students and teachers wait patiently in classrooms in hopes of being saved by law enforcement while the shooter methodically conducts door to door homicide unchallenged.

I remember seeing a security consultant on 20-20 or maybe Dateline from the DFW area that challenged this very notion of "shelter in place." Of course he was viewed as a lunatic.
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I have a son in grade school and we have discussed the "lockdown" issue at great length and have an alternative plan to the schools.
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These days it seems like administrators will lock down a school if a cop writes a parking ticket for a car across the street.

It is spawned by the same poor judgement that causes 8 year old kids to be thrown out of school for drawing pictures of guns.
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frankie_the_yankee wrote:Two dead and once again, none of the victims had guns.
if they'd had guns the people they defended themselves against would be referred to as the "victims" :roll:
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