new ultra carry II

[saj111]

i was a bit apprehensive about the recoil of such a small 45 but was pleasantly surprised by how easy and accurate it shoots.
first outing was 100 rounds of 230 ball plus a dozen hydra shocks. not one hicup. second outing was 200 rounds on 230 ball and i had 3 failure to go into battery between 150 and 200 rounds. i feel sure this was due to how dirty the gun had gotten.
i have a very nice combat commander that i love to shoot but is too heavy to carry. this new gun fills in very nicely.
i think i'm in love.

[CompVest]

I love mine and have shot several bug matches with it. It has always performed flawlessly. I have never notice the recoil on it to be any worse then my full size 1911.

It is my holster carry gun of choice until I get my new holster for my M&P9C. It is a very comfortable gun to carry.

[rm9792]

Galco makes 2 good holsters for it, the Summer Special and the Sky Marshal. Both are IWB and hold it well. The Sky Marshal holds mine a little tight for my tastes but I may not have it broken in yet. UC is an excellent pistol.

[Stupid]

Sorry for raining on your parade, but I don't think 3 failure in 200 rounds is either acceptable or can be attributed to "gun being dirty."

Your gun - I actually have the same, should fire over 10,000 without a stoppage of any kind (a field strip clean at every 5000). In 1911, actually, 1913, they did a study on 1911 type guns and back then, the acceptable reliability was 1 failure out of 5000 rounds. Today's modern guns should go way beyond that standard.

I would send it right back. I sent mine back twice already. We will see how the second time works.

I firmly believe that we, as customers, should and must always pressure the manufacturer to improve their quality of the product.

i was a bit apprehensive about the recoil of such a small 45 but was pleasantly surprised by how easy and accurate it shoots.
first outing was 100 rounds of 230 ball plus a dozen hydra shocks. not one hicup. second outing was 200 rounds on 230 ball and i had 3 failure to go into battery between 150 and 200 rounds. i feel sure this was due to how dirty the gun had gotten.
i have a very nice combat commander that i love to shoot but is too heavy to carry. this new gun fills in very nicely.
i think i'm in love.

[Liberty]

Sorry for raining on your parade, but I don't think 3 failure in 200 rounds is either acceptable or can be attributed to "gun being dirty."

Your gun - I actually have the same, should fire over 10,000 without a stoppage of any kind (a field strip clean at every 5000). In 1911, actually, 1913, they did a study on 1911 type guns and back then, the acceptable reliability was 1 failure out of 5000 rounds. Today's modern guns should go way beyond that standard.

I would send it right back. I sent mine back twice already. We will see how the second time works.

I firmly believe that we, as customers, should and must always pressure the manufacturer to improve their quality of the product.

i was a bit apprehensive about the recoil of such a small 45 but was pleasantly surprised by how easy and accurate it shoots.
first outing was 100 rounds of 230 ball plus a dozen hydra shocks. not one hicup. second outing was 200 rounds on 230 ball and i had 3 failure to go into battery between 150 and 200 rounds. i feel sure this was due to how dirty the gun had gotten.
i have a very nice combat commander that i love to shoot but is too heavy to carry. this new gun fills in very nicely.
i think i'm in love.

Stupid you have a good point, I would be very concerned about 1 failure in 2000 nevermind 1 in 200. I would bet the gun was never cleaned before it was taken out the first time. Cosmoline and ammo residue does combine to make a pretty nasty goo.

[saj111]

thanks for the input. stupid and liberty both have good points but i will wait until i finish the break in period as many uc owners have reported much worse problems during the break in which resolved themselves after about 600 rounds. if i have problems then it definitely will go back.
i'm no novice to guns or 1911's (don't know everything and never will) and yes the gun was thoroughly cleaned and oiled properly.
my impression so far is this is one fine pistol.

[flintknapper]

thanks for the input. stupid and liberty both have good points but i will wait until i finish the break in period as many uc owners have reported much worse problems during the break in which resolved themselves after about 600 rounds. if i have problems then it definitely will go back.
i'm no novice to guns or 1911's (don't know everything and never will) and yes the gun was thoroughly cleaned and oiled properly.
my impression so far is this is one fine pistol.

Your pistol is fine, clean it real well and continue with your break-in.

Studies done umpteen years ago on loosely fitted pistols cannot be applied to todays CNC'd (close tolerance) weapons during their break-in period.

Also, there is no "cosmoline" in recently mfg. weapons (not put in storage), so that wasn't the problem either.

Some ammo brands are definitely "dirtier" than others ...and can well lead to a fouling problem in a tightly fitted (new) weapon.

Also, many folks will use "oil" only on ALL the parts of a 1911 and IMO this is a mistake. Oil WILL NOT stay in place, period.

Use any of the excellent gun greases available (sparingly) on the slide rails. I suspect you'll see excellent reliability from your pistol shortly.

Make certain you have a good grip on the weapon as well. The action needs something to push against if it to function properly (true of all SA's).

[Liberty]

thanks for the input. stupid and liberty both have good points but i will wait until i finish the break in period as many uc owners have reported much worse problems during the break in which resolved themselves after about 600 rounds. if i have problems then it definitely will go back.
i'm no novice to guns or 1911's (don't know everything and never will) and yes the gun was thoroughly cleaned and oiled properly.
my impression so far is this is one fine pistol.

Your pistol is fine, clean it real well and continue with your break-in.

Studies done umpteen years ago on loosely fitted pistols cannot be applied to todays CNC'd (close tolerance) weapons during their break-in period.

Also, there is no "cosmoline" in recently mfg. weapons (not put in storage), so that wasn't the problem either.

Some ammo brands are definitely "dirtier" than others ...and can well lead to a fouling problem in a tightly fitted (new) weapon.

Also, many folks will use "oil" only on ALL the parts of a 1911 and IMO this is a mistake. Oil WILL NOT stay in place, period.

Use any of the excellent gun greases available (sparingly) on the slide rails. I suspect you'll see excellent reliability from your pistol shortly.

Make certain you have a good grip on the weapon as well. The action needs something to push against if it to function properly (true of all SA's).

Your probably right about the cosmoline but, I've bought 2 guns new in the past 2 years and although the outsides were clean they had this thick brown goop on the insides. ( Ruger P95 and Berretta 92fs) It may have been axle grease or tinted Vasaline but there was plenty of it. Ive bought cosmoline treated guns in 60's and they were seriously coated inside and out. I also forgot that this was a 1911, and that owners don't expect the same level of performance that we expect from more modern designs right out of the box.

[saj111]

wow, liberty, you are sounding a little touchy there. it's just a friendly post.
i'll repeat the gun was clean, clean, clean.

[Liberty]

wow, liberty, you are sounding a little touchy there. it's just a friendly post.
i'll repeat the gun was clean, clean, clean.

No not touchy at all. Didn't mean to sound that way. I was just pokin' a little fun at 1911s and their owners. Flint really had a point about cosmoline though I think he is right that they don't use it much anymore. Although on the guns I've bought there has been grease inside.

Flint, If I sounded on offence , I appologize. I forget that folks can't see me giggling while I type. I'll watch it a little closer.

[flintknapper]

wow, liberty, you are sounding a little touchy there. it's just a friendly post.
i'll repeat the gun was clean, clean, clean.

No not touchy at all. Didn't mean to sound that way. I was just pokin' a little fun at 1911s and their owners. Flint really had a point about cosmoline though I think he is right that they don't use it much anymore. Although on the guns I've bought there has been grease inside.

Flint, If I sounded on offence , I apologize. I forget that folks can't see me giggling while I type. I'll watch it a little closer.

No problems here Liberty. The thought never crossed my mind....so no apologies necessary.

[Stupid]

A gun is a gun. If it doesn't fire properly right out of the box, it's not a gun but a piece of crap.

Break-in period is crap too. If there must be a break-in period, when we paid $1000 to the manufacturer, they should do the break-in for us before the gun leaves their shop. When we get it, it should work work and work.

If Glock, Beretta, and Sig can do it, why not Kimber? If the answer is :"well, it's not a Glock etc." Then give me back my money, I'll go buy something else, and they can stop calling themselves firearm manufacturer. Fortunately, Kimber stands by their products pretty well. Twice round trip UPS Next Day Air service is close to $200 already.

A trick for you, try to hand cycle a few hundred times with some dead FMJ reloads - DO NOT USE LIVE AMMO - ask your reloading friends to load some for you. this may speed up your "break in."

[rm9792]

I was curious about that. If you remove the recoil spring and just cycle it 1000 times by hand will that break it in? It seems the break in is to get the slide smoothed out, or is there more to it?

[flintknapper]

I was curious about that. If you remove the recoil spring and just cycle it 1000 times by hand will that break it in? It seems the break in is to get the slide smoothed out, or is there more to it?

I'll post it again for the millionth time (either here or elsewhere).

I NEVER waste my time or ammo going straight to the range with a new pistol (ANY pistol) I don't care what the reputation.

On SA's I always take the recoil spring out, apply some jewelers rouge to the rails and sit in front of the TV cycling the action for about an hour. I polish the breech face (if necessary) and check to see if the magazine lips need smoothing or tuning and polish the feed ramp.

Clean the whole thing up, lube it properly...and you'll be shooting without incident nearly every time.

Yes, it can be argued that all firearms should come from the factory running just perfectly. Maybe we shouldn't have to "break them in". Some folks just have a hissing fit over the idea....but the reality is: Any firearm you purchase for protection should be Broken In/Proven/Tested/Evaluated/etc....


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[rm9792]

Sorry, I hadnt really seen this posted before.