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I have not checked the references on this story, but it was an interesting read. :grin:
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From the San Antonio Express-News, Columnist Roddy Stinson, February 5. The columnist is not -- apparently -- in favor of the new carry law. However, the ACLU is and helped get it passed. For those interested, I have pasted excerpts of the article below:

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The Texas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union is unhappy about last Thursday's column concerning the state's new gun-toting law.

I know this because of an e-mail exchange I had with chapter spokesman Scott Henson, who chided:

—"Your interpretation of House Bill 823 relies on an analysis by a handful of prosecutors who opposed the law, but not the bill language itself."

—"It's true that some prosecutors are telling police to keep arresting people ... but they are raising a red herring. The law is really not unclear."

—"The lawmakers wanted drivers to be able to have a stowed gun driving to the bank or the grocery store."

And the real shocker:

—"I was closely involved in the legislative process that created the new law."

Somebody check the weather in Hades. Snowflakes must be falling on Beelzebub's head.

Whether this conservative turn is an ACLU aberration or a step in the right-wing direction won't be known for a while. But news of the organization's loose-gun-control stance will surely cause a few spluttering Sunday morning readers to lose their coffee.

Incidentally, if you missed Thursday's column ...

House Bill 823, which was passed by Texas legislators during the 2005 regular session, states that a person "is presumed to be traveling" and is legally permitted to carry a handgun in his car or truck if he is (1) in a private motor vehicle, (2) not engaged in criminal activity, (3) not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm, (4) not a member of a "criminal street gang" and (5) not carrying the handgun "in plain view."

The bill was vigorously opposed by prosecutors and law enforcement officials who believed it would increase the number of guns on the state's streets and highways and do more harm than good.

In the column, I quoted Harris County District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal, who said that in his jurisdiction, "It is still going to be against the law for (unlicensed) persons to carry handguns in autos." And I suggested that Texans should probably think twice before stashing pistols in their glove boxes or under their bucket seats.

That warning prompted the Henson-initiated e-mail exchange.

"The new statute says juries MUST presume a driver is traveling and therefore legally carrying a gun unless the state disproves one of the five elements," the ACLUer insisted. "State Rep. Terry Keel, who authored the bill, says: 'In plain terms, a law-abiding person should not fear arrest if they are transporting a concealed weapon in a motor vehicle.' ...

"The story here isn't that the law was poorly written. The story here is that some prosecutors are so arrogant they think they don't have to follow the law."

Still, Henson cautioned: "I agree that drivers should be wary. Until this is settled (in the courts), they risk arrest."

Toward the end of the e-mail exchange, I wondered about the potential ramifications of the new law and shared my concern with Henson:

"As I understand the intent of the original 'traveling' law, it was written so bona fide travelers could have a weapon (for protection) as they drove down the open road.

"It seems to me that HB 823 turned that intent on its head, allowing an individual to be armed going to the corner grocery store."

Unfazed, Henson responded with his "driving to the bank or grocery store" remark.

And that's pretty much the up-to-date story of the new gun law and the controversy surrounding it.

Henson said the ACLU has filed open records requests with prosecutors across the state to determine which ones are telling officers to continue making arrests, and he believes if state courts don't "slap them down," the House and Senate will spank them during the next legislative session.
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jbirds1210 wrote:Henson said the ACLU has filed open records requests with prosecutors across the state to determine which ones are telling officers to continue making arrests, and he believes if state courts don't "slap them down," the House and Senate will spank them during the next legislative session.
I'm fairly confident that somebody is going to get spanked anyway...
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stevie_d_64 wrote:I'm fairly confident that somebody is going to get spanked anyway...
I can see Chuckie now -

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stevie_d_64 wrote:FYI, straight from Chuckie's office...

http://dao-web.dao.hctx.net/ie/TEXAS%20 ... 20LAWS.pdf
From the link above and regarding carrying in a car
Under the statutes and the case law interpreting the statutes it is illegal to carry a pistol,
club or illegal knife on your person or generally inside the passenger compartment of
your vehicle including the glove compartment. This applies even though the weapon is
taken apart or unloaded. If you need to transport a handgun you may do so in the trunk of
a vehicle.
Even before having a CHL, I never put my pistol in the trunk when going the range and whatnot... According to him, that could have cost me 40K and 2 years in jail.
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HB 823 provides for a legal presumption in favor of citizens that they are travelers if they are in a private vehicle with a handgun that is not in plain view, they are not otherwise engaged in unlawful activity nor otherwise prohibited by law from possessing a firearm, and they are not a member of a criminal street gang.

In plain terms, a law-abiding person should not fear arrest if they are transporting a concealed pistol in a motor vehicle. There is no longer the need for a law enforcement officer to apply a subjective definition of what constitutes “traveling� where the citizen is cloaked with the presumption per the terms of the new statute. Under those circumstances the citizen should be allowed to proceed on their way.

State Representative Terry Keel
http://www.tsra.com/HB823_Keel.htm
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nemesis wrote:
HB 823 provides for a legal presumption in favor of citizens that they are travelers if they are in a private vehicle with a handgun that is not in plain view, they are not otherwise engaged in unlawful activity nor otherwise prohibited by law from possessing a firearm, and they are not a member of a criminal street gang.

In plain terms, a law-abiding person should not fear arrest if they are transporting a concealed pistol in a motor vehicle. There is no longer the need for a law enforcement officer to apply a subjective definition of what constitutes “traveling� where the citizen is cloaked with the presumption per the terms of the new statute. Under those circumstances the citizen should be allowed to proceed on their way.

State Representative Terry Keel

http://www.tsra.com/HB823_Keel.htm
I wonder how many times this little blub has been forwarded, mailed, faxed and delivered to Chucks office since September '05???
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