First CHL in Space is a Russian

[Lodge2004]

I also recall when my childhood next door neighbor's daughter was marrying a fighter pilot (lost in 'Nam, but that's a whole 'nother story) he was trying for astronaut and he told us some stuff about the emergency survival kits they had, which included handguns and rifles.

I got a survival kit from an OV-1 for my birthday one year. It was the late 60's and my dad was an engine mechanic on leave from Vietnam. No sidearm, but it did have a cool machete/axe and some morphine injectors.

When I flew CH-47's on active duty, every pilot had a holster attached to his survival vest. It's just another piece of survival equipment; like the flares/whistle/mirror/compass/etc...

I would have been suprised if their survival kit did NOT include a sidearm. Don't know if it is still the case, but I believe the Russians used to drop into Siberia when they came back to earth. Missing your landing area and getting stuck in the wilderness would really be a pain without a fully equipped survival kit. A sidearm, and possibly a rifle, seems reasonable to me.

[bpet]

Well, I,m not sure we have any reason to worry about the safety of our astronauts. After all, there has been no mention of ammunition in anything I've read so far (unless I just missed it), and as has been pointed out many times on this forum, a gun without bullets is just another hammer.

I, for one, will loose no sleep over this potential for outer space mayhem.

[mctowalot]

I think the old AR-7 type would be perfect for that scenario

Is that the old over under combo or just semi auto .22?
But above post says it is a sawed off shotgun. I'd like to see pics.
By the way, has anyone got ballistics information re:gel penetration in space?

[srothstein]

Oberg knows an astronaut bent on orbital manslaughter could simply throw any number of switches to do the job, but he said the crews would be safer if the gun was locked up or left on Earth.

This is the quote I thought proved he is just an anti with a knee jerk reaction. Just not worth anyone with half an ounce of common sense paying any attention to him.

[jimlongley]

I also recall when my childhood next door neighbor's daughter was marrying a fighter pilot (lost in 'Nam, but that's a whole 'nother story) he was trying for astronaut and he told us some stuff about the emergency survival kits they had, which included handguns and rifles.

I got a survival kit from an OV-1 for my birthday one year. It was the late 60's and my dad was an engine mechanic on leave from Vietnam. No sidearm, but it did have a cool machete/axe and some morphine injectors.

When I flew CH-47's on active duty, every pilot had a holster attached to his survival vest. It's just another piece of survival equipment; like the flares/whistle/mirror/compass/etc...

I would have been suprised if their survival kit did NOT include a sidearm. Don't know if it is still the case, but I believe the Russians used to drop into Siberia when they came back to earth. Missing your landing area and getting stuck in the wilderness would really be a pain without a fully equipped survival kit. A sidearm, and possibly a rifle, seems reasonable to me.

My father used to buy and sell milsurp stuff, and I was one of his favorite mules, going along to lift and carry all kinds of (mostly electronic) gear that he had bid on. One time I was able to glom one of the survival packs that were displayed on a table at an auction, I think it cost me a whole dollar. The thing had water purification tablets in it that made water taste supremely raunchy, but also no gun. I didn't have any idea what "styrettes" were and my father removed them from my possession before I had the opportunity to explore further than unpacking their box from the kit.

[tboesche]

I think the old AR-7 type would be perfect for that scenario

Is that the old over under combo or just semi auto .22?
But above post says it is a sawed off shotgun. I'd like to see pics.
By the way, has anyone got ballistics information re:gel penetration in space?

The AR-7 is the .22 semiautomatic rifle that breaks down and is stord in the buttstock. It was designed by Stoner systems, and originally manufactured and sold by Charter Arms. Now they are available from Henry Arms. CheaperThanDirt can order you one for 196.00 bucks. I had one back in the mid 80's. It was a ton of fun to shoot. Wish I still had it.

[Zero_G]

Here's the Google translation of a Russian page about the gun carried in the Soyuz:
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... safe%3Doff



Hunters set astronauts - trehstvolny pistol TP-82
Picture Hunter set astronauts - trehstvolny pistol TP-82

rehstvolny hunting gun TP-82

TA-82 - trehstvolny hunting gun, since 1986 - a special-purpose weapons for the survival of Air Force crews and spacecraft. (SONAZ - small arms portable emergency reserve).

Gun TA-82 has two top 32 smooth barrel - calibre (12.5 mm) with patronnikami 70 mm in length and 0.3 mm narrow muzzle, and lower rifled barrel to 5.45 mm calibre. Block 300 mm long trunks connected with receiver hinged boxes, removable magazines.

Without the butt to shoot better signalling cartridges or bullet cartridges and shot, at point-blank range. Mass pistol with a machete is 2.4 kg, no butt - 1.6 kg weight machete-butt in a valise - 0.8 kg, with dimensions pistol butt - 360 mm h42h150, with the butt - 670 h42h235 mm.

Complex passed comprehensive tests in different climatic zones of the country, who confirmed its high reliability and performance under extreme conditions. In the process of testing various types of mines animals and birds. Of the rifled barrel successfully hunt moose, wild boar, mountain goats, gazelle, saiga, foxes at distances of up to 200 metres, with the weight of 200 kilograms of animals. Of the smooth trunks extracted hares, foxes, geese, ducks, pheasant, dove, pheasant, seagull.

Complex provides protection against predatory animals, taking food and the filing of light signals, as part of the complex applications machetes can be used for construction of pedestrian paths in the thickets, fuelwood and building materials for shelters, digging pits, etc.

[lawrnk]

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[mctowalot]

Thanks to you both for the info. Read the translated text out loud to wife, still laughing.

[dukalmighty]

I think the old AR-7 type would be perfect for that scenario

I got an ar-7 you calling me old ,but actually the 22 would be great for taking small game but if a bear was looking fer a little russian in his diet,The guy that don't likes guns gets ate first

Without the butt to shoot better signalling cartridges or bullet cartridges and shot, at point-blank range. Mass pistol with a machete is 2.4 kg, no butt - 1.6 kg weight machete-butt in a valise - 0.8 kg, with dimensions pistol butt - 360 mm h42h150, with the butt - 670 h42h235 mm.

If i don't shoot with my butt i lose balance during recoil,And it comes with a machete lol I can see drawing my concealed carry 1911 compact with a 12" machete attached