Question: Do Training Facility’s Count as Schools?

[Wildscar]

Going to be taking some technical training courses in a couple weeks. Want to know if I need to leave it locked up in the hotel room?

[seamusTX]

I would say anything with the name school, college, or university is a school; but a class organized by someone who is not operating a full-time program of instruction (like CPR class) is not.

All this confusion about barber colleges and dog obedience schools needs to be legislated out of existence.

- Jim

[Wildscar]

I would say anything with the name school, college, or university is a school; but a class organized by someone who is not operating a full-time program of instruction (like CPR class) is not.

All this confusion about barber colleges and dog obedience schools needs to be legislated out of existence.

- Jim

Thats just it. Its a full time training center. So Im guess this is going to be one of those grey areas.
If it helps this is where I am taking the training. http://www.globalnettraining.com/

[seamusTX]

It's iffy, all right. I'm confident that that kind of place is not what the legislature had in mind when they put schools in 46.03, but I can't predict what would happen if you had a failure to conceal.

- Jim

[melkor41]

First off IANAL.


Being in IT I have been to a few of those training center type places for those 8 hour boot camp type courses. Most of them give you a list of the schools policys and procedures and make you sign something saying you received it during the little orentation thing. This is mostly due to cheating/plagerism type of things, but I am sure most of them have a weapon/drug on campus policy buried in there somewhere. I seriously doubt that the written policy is in compliant with 30.06 now on the OTHER hand... its possible that when you go over the policys during the orentation they will be reading off a list of stuff and then it becomes a verbal notice. I would assume them saying "X training academy prohibits weapons and drugs/booze on campus" would count.

I am still in the waiting room so I have not had to deal with anyone giving me verbal notice not to carry yet.I will have to pay attention next time I go, going to one of the Todd Lammelle courses in a few months. Most I have received is a genericly worded letter to all of the company about the weapons policy that states "this supercedes any requirements of notice that any state may require..." uhhhh I dont think it works that way

I hope someone else with more legal eagleness can advise you better.

[Wildscar]

Thanks for the replies. Guess Ill just have to scout it the first day. Since Im going to be there for 2 weeks Ill have time.

[Wildscar]

Thought I would bump this to get a few more opinions before next week.

[shootthesheet]

Call or e-mail the CHL girls/guys and ask them. They will probably tell you that you risk proving it is not a school in court. I can't speak for them though. They could have info all but a few of us couldn't know.

I took company training at what was called a "school". The instructor of this non-firearm or LEO school made it clear he carried as one of the first things he did. I took that to mean the Glock I had on my hip wouldn't be a problem. I think it has more to do with state or federally involved education centers. That means if someone can get financial aid then it is off limits. I use this example because of Hospitals and Nursing Homes are off limits if they handle Medicare paperwork and such. The disqualifier, in my opinion, is if the institution takes money or handles paperwork from the state and/or feds. That is my view of how they determine "school". Doesn't mean a CHL wouldn't have to prove that in court. That could be way off and I would welcome correction if I am wrong.

With that, we need to do away with all school related restrictions and not just higher learning ones. I don't expect the good people in Austin to do anything that meaningful even if the school CHL carry debate happens in 09. I hope, but looking at how they passed the laws, I wouldn't expect it. Too many politicians and not enough leaders in my opinion. Thank God for them and I hope they will really consider far reaching action to prevent more innocents being needlessly killed in the future.

[ttorion]

......I think it has more to do with state or federally involved education centers. That means if someone can get financial aid then it is off limits. I use this example because of Hospitals and Nursing Homes are off limits if they handle Medicare paperwork and such.

I must have missed that one.

[gregthehand]

It's not a school. Those are defined in the education code, and somewhat in the penal code and this is not one of them....

[Wildscar]

It's not a school. Those are defined in the education code, and somewhat in the penal code and this is not one of them....

That right there is what I was looking for. That kinda what I was thinking just wanted anothers input. Now I just have to hope the building itself isnt posted. Thanks.

[Liberty]

I use this example because of Hospitals and Nursing Homes are off limits if they handle Medicare paperwork and such. The disqualifier, in my opinion, is if the institution takes money or handles paperwork from the state and/or feds. That is my view of how they determine "school". Doesn't mean a CHL wouldn't have to prove that in court. That could be way off and I would welcome correction if I am wrong.

You are wrong, Handling Medicare paper work has nothing to do with whether or not a hospital or nursing home is off limits. A 30.06 sign or it being a school are the only factors that determine whether a CHL can carry into one of those places. I'm not even sure that being a steaching hospital makes CHL carry illegal, but I'm unwilling to test that one out.

[shootthesheet]

Liberty

You are correct that the Hospitals and Nursing Homes are suppose to post the proper signs if they are one of these facilities. It is like Health code A or B or something that took me some time to look up last time I did it. It really doesn't concern CHL holders because, for us, it is about the sign. I learned it from a Hospital Administrator as to the reason he, a CHL holder, posted his hospital when I was trying to get the signs removed. If someone has the info or can show me where he and I were wrong then I would welcome that as well. Overall, it is their requirement to post more than our requirement to know what they do and don't do.