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Re: Life w/o self-defense, castle doctrine, guns, pointy things.

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frankie_the_yankee wrote:1) TX and VT are different, in many ways. It's not just "my claim". Having spent a lot of time in both places, I am not guessing here. And you can see many of the differences by looking in an almanac and scanning FBI UCR data.
TX and VT are part of the same country. UK is a different country. You say Vermont and Texas are so different that unlicensed RKBA wouldn't work in Texas, but the differences between the UK and the US are bigger.
frankie_the_yankee wrote:3) Why can't we analyze the ways that the law has evolved in the UK over the last 90 years or so and try to identify what effects it has had on UK society? I've read such analysis by others. I don't see where it's impossible.
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ELB wrote:I really think the UK has a bleak future; neither major political party seems to have a clue. There are certain radical elements populations that are better organized, have better cohesion than society at large, and are certainly much more willing to defend their culture than the original British population. I think there will be some very ugly events in the future, and Britain will cease to exist. And I think you can track the decline of Britain by following their ever more draconian gun laws and treatment of self-defense.
All of Western Europe has a bleak future. For those who haven't read it, I most highly recommend Mark Steyn's book America Alone in which he talks about the cultural and demographic transformation currently under way in Europe right now.

As modern Europe has become increasingly secularized and economically socialized, the ethnic European birth rates are undergoing a rapid decline. It is a fact, for instance, that the birth rate in Spain among native born ethnic Spaniards is already FAR below what demographers recognize as the maximum rate of decline from which a population can recover. They are factually already beyond the point of no recovery. In the meantime, Spain has a rapidly growing immigrant Muslim population with a cultural proclivity toward high birth rates. This is not a slap at Islam, it's just a statistical fact. Consequently, most demographers of any scientific repute predict that Spain will be an overwhelmingly Muslim country within 50 years. France's birth rate for native born ethnic Frenchmen is teetering on the demographic point of no recovery, and their largest and most rapidly growing demographic, like Spain's, is Muslim immigrants with high birth rates. If the trend continues, and because of the self-centered secularization of European culture there is no reason to suspect that it won't, France will be an overwhelmingly Muslim country within the next 75 years or so. England is right about where France is. The Nordic countries, particularly Norway, are in the same boat.

To compound the problem for ethnic Europeans, their radically shrinking birth rates mean that an ever smaller workforce of ethnic Europeans are supporting with their taxes an ever burgeoning retired population of ethnic Europeans, who tend to retire sooner, and who are used to having all of their government subsidized social programs, and who vote. However, in the next few years, the number of Muslim immigrants in the European workforce is going to surpass the number of ethnic Europeans in that same workforce, and eventually, they will surpass the total number of ethnic Europeans, retired or working. Whatever else can be said about Islam for or against it, it IS a very socially conservative religion with very conservative social values and a much heavier emphasis on entrepreneurial self-reliance. As those immigrants obtain citizenship and gain the right to vote, they are threatening the socialist status quo. When they gain majority status, they are going to radically change the economic and political landscape of old Europe.

It's not just about guns. Europe, within most of our lifetimes, will look very, very different from the Europe we grew up knowing about, and from which this nation originally drew its cultural heritage during the time of our founding. This isn't speculation. It is the dirty little demographic secret that most on the left don't want to talk about because it upsets their particular rice bowls, but of which most professional demographers are well aware.

Historically, one of the principles of Islam is the concept of Dhimitude - a second class status for monotheistic non Muslims. For all of their recent hatred for Jews, Islam traditionally regards Jews and Christians as "people of the book," and affords them limited civil protections in an Islamic society with the conferred status of "Dhimi." Not that this is a good thing for a Jew or Christian, but under Islamic law, anyone NOT either a Muslim or a Dhimi is regarded to be a pagan, and without any sort of even limited rights. It is unavoidable that, short of some really drastic immigration law changes and possibly even civil war, that all of Europe is going to transform into a majority Muslim region within the next 50-100 years. Given A) the secularization of old European culture; B) the shrinking birth rate of ethnic Europeans as a result of that secularization; C) the increasing Muslim immigrant populations and their high birth rates across all of Europe; and D) the very real probability of Dhimitude for those remaining ethnic Europeans down the road, I frankly don't see a day in the future when your average Englishman will ever regain his gun rights.

Kinda depressing, isn't it?
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Re: Life w/o self-defense, castle doctrine, guns, pointy things.

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aardwolf wrote: TX and VT are part of the same country. UK is a different country. You say Vermont and Texas are so different that unlicensed RKBA wouldn't work in Texas, but the differences between the UK and the US are bigger.
What does that have to do with anything?
aardwolf wrote:
frankie_the_yankee wrote:3) Why can't we analyze the ways that the law has evolved in the UK over the last 90 years or so and try to identify what effects it has had on UK society? I've read such analysis by others. I don't see where it's impossible.
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And what might those be?
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