Interesting discovery at the range recently...

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Re: Interesting discovery at the range recently...

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I think the situation was partly analyzed above concerning the extra distance the gun is from your body....actually eyes. The guys with young eyes will someday discover vision degradation, unless they are very blessed. I have much, much better target scores one handed, often better left handed (wrong-handed ;-) ) than with Weaver stance, and it's mainly due to vision. Personally, I have some vision related problems, and some am currently in the process of experimenting with a new type of contact lenses as a "last ditch effort" to have any type of multi-distance vision. Otherwise, it's the regular hard lenses I had to return to after unsuccessful lasik surgery several years ago, and reading glasses combined (never know what strength glasses I may need during a range session, so I take at least three).

I know there are a lot of ways to compensate for the vision problem: drill with one gun at point shooting, use big dot night sights, ask your "target" to wait until you have a good sight picture, use a shotgun....

Vision imparement has to be experienced before it can be understood!

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For target and competition work, have a pair of glasses made up that give you a clear front sight picture when you are in your Weaver or Isosolese stance. These should be simple lenses - not bifocals. You'll need to bring your gun into the optician's office and have them dial in the exact strength you need. Obviously, the optician must be cool with this. Ask ahead of time, explaining exactly what it is you need to do just to make sure. You shouldn't have a problem.

For a carry gun or any gun used for self defense, when you will be wearing your normal glasses or contacts, get the brightest night sights that you can. Truglo's are the best, because they work both day and nioght, but your choices of guns will be greatly limited. The glowing dots will be easy to line up even though they will be out of focus.
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i think one thing to keep in mind is shooting from the draw, and shooting while standing in a shooter's box usually have two different results typically. you might be accurate shooting one handed while in a shooter's box with all the time in the world, but from a draw, or taking a step to the side as you draw, results may differ depending on your exp with the movement.

as far as having your weapon stripped away from you, i dont know about you, but if i was a criminal, i wouldnt try to take a gun away when it is pointing right at me.
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Charles has posted about the press-on magnifiers he uses at the top of his lenses to allow a good sight picture. I went Frankie's route of single vision lenses: the one for my dominant eye is set to focus at the distance of my front sight, the non-dominant lens is my distance-vision prescription. This works pretty well, though I do typically need to wear the shooting glasses for about 15 minutes to let my eyes get accustomed. Doesn't matter if I shoot one- or two-handed, ain't nuthin' gonna be in good focus for me without a lens specific for that purpose.

My normal progressive lenses have relatively small lenses, like yours, and I get a better--but not great--sight picture looking over the top of the frames than I do through the distance vision portion of the glasses...and trying to tilt my head up and find that miniscule little area of the lens that brings the front sight into crisp focus is, well, right out of the question.

Tilting my head down slightly to look over the top of the frame puts my head in the same position as I normally shoot, so I drill that way, as well: head up, through the distance vision portion of the lenses for observation and target acquisition, head tilted down about 15 degrees, looking over the top of the frames for a sight picture. And fiber optic or other glowing sights, as Frankie noted, really help. Here, I get a slightly better look at the front sight in a two-handed, modifed "IsosceWeaver" than I do one-handed, with the front sight a little farther from my eyes. Ain't a perfect sight picture, but it's the best I'm gonna have in a real-life emergency so I practice that way as well as with my shooting glasses.
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I shoot regularly with a friend that used to teach the county SWAT team when he worked for the sheriff's dept. I noticed a couple of years ago that I was a little more accurate with the one handed hold. He claims that you are unconsiously forced to concentrate harder because of the lack of stability had with a two handed hold. That explanation seemed reasonable to me. I also see better with glasses, but shoot better without them. Go figure. :txflag:
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Frankie, my primary carry gun, a Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry II, came with their night sites already installed. They are fairly bright, and you're correct in that, I can line up the sites in very low light quite well. It's in daylight that I have trouble with it.

I actually thought about those press on lenses that Charles L. Cotton has written about as a temporary solution, but I'll stick them on an older pair of glasses just to be sure not to mess up my current lenses any.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:Frankie, my primary carry gun, a Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry II, came with their night sites already installed. They are fairly bright, and you're correct in that, I can line up the sites in very low light quite well. It's in daylight that I have trouble with it.

I actually thought about those press on lenses that Charles L. Cotton has written about as a temporary solution, but I'll stick them on an older pair of glasses just to be sure not to mess up my current lenses any.
If you can get a set of Truglo combination fiber optic and tritium sights for the Kimber, your daylight problems will be a thing of the past.

Press on lenses are OK for competition, but you're not gonna be wearing them on the street.
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frankie_the_yankee wrote:If you can get a set of Truglo combination fiber optic and tritium sights for the Kimber, your daylight problems will be a thing of the past.
I just checked truglo.com, and they do make sites to fit Kimbers. I'll have to check with them on Monday and see what they've got that will fit my pistol. Thanks for the suggestion.
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