Have you been "caught" carring by staff personnel?

[Jesse1911]

I tried searching of topics with this info, but can't find any and decided to ask. Have you ever been confronted by security or staff personnel who work at certain establishments? How did it happen? What was the outcome when they found out you were a CHL holder ?

[boomerang]

Never been caught. Or if I was they didn't say anything.

[longtooth]

Here is a thread I posted back in Aug of 006 when my Dr busted me. There are 3 pages of incidents following it. Try your search using "Busted" & you should get a lot more.
Might be a good time to just hear some of them again guys & gals. Give the new folks a chance to share too. Ought to lighten up the stress from all the heavy stuff here lately.

http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... &sk=t&sd=a

[DoubleJ]

Ought to lighten up the stress from all the heavy stuff here lately.

I, also, have never been busted by stafff. I've asked stafff a fffew times whether or not I could carr, and I was misinformed by the stafff that I couldn't carr there, but again, I've never had stafff bust me fffirst.

[Tactical_Texan_CHL]

Maybe, but nothing was said. I was doing some hospital visits in a facility that's not posted, so I was carrying. I had the Ultra Covert II in my CTAC with shirt tucked in over it. A nurse I used to work with is now the director of a unit I was visiting. She gave me one of those one armed side hugs and her hip hit my right side with the gun between us. I'm sure she felt it, but probably didn't even know what it was, or even notice. Nothing was said, and she didn't even give me a second glance.

[NcongruNt]

(sorry, I had to after the last image )

On a related note...

I've only been "outed" by non-family three times.

The first was a good friend who is a "huggy" person, and knows I have a CHL. He is also considering getting his, once an out-of-state misdemeanor (weird arrest under odd circumstances and poor judgement on his part) clears the 5-year mark. He went to hug me and hit my extra mags. He seemed under the impression that he touched my firearm and was unconvinced when I told him it wasn't what he thought it was.

The second was a coworker. He is a shooter as well - we'd talked about some of his firearms on previous occasions. We happened to be working on some communications equipment up on a sloping warehouse rooftop, and while wrangling with the equipment, I ended up laying on the roof with my topside on the lower end of the slope. A couple of items came out of my pockets, then one of my mags slipped loose. This is not something that would normally have happened, except that i was twisting about so much that one of the mags worked itself free from the holder and landed with a distinctive "clunk" on the metal roof (as 15 rounds of 9mm are prone to do). I promptly put it back in place, and he inquired as to what it went to. I told him it was for a Hi-Power, and he made the correct assumption that I had a CHL. He was cool with it the whole time, as he's quite comfortable with firearms, so there was no issue there. I asked him not discuss it with anyone, and briefly explained that some people have crazy reactions on the subject of guns. He was fine with that and agreed.

The third was when I went to get a tire repaired. I stopped in at a local used tire place (non-corporate used tire and small motor repair shop). I hopped out of my van to talk to the attendant that was walking up to greet me. I hop down and start to walk up to him, and his eyes get big and look at my waist area. I carry my Hi-Power OWB at 3:00 with a work shirt for concealment. I had adjusted my shirt to make sure I everything was covered when I got out, but when I looked down, there was my Hi-Power saying hello! Apparently, my seatbelt had caught my shirt and pulled it over the top of the pistol. I realized what had happened, covered it with my shirt and continued my interaction. His unease went away rather quickly, as I gave him no reason to freak out by continuing as normal. I venture to guess that most likely he decided I was some sort of LEO, as the main APD station is about 4 blocks away from our location. No police called, no screaming people yelling "gun!". I ended up having to buy a tire anyway, as it had been gashed in the sidewall.

The only family "outing" I had (not really an outing, as my immediate family knows I carry) was after a range trip. I was trying out a new shoulder rig with my PA-63 in addition to my normal Hi-Power carried OWB at the range, and decided to see how well it carried on the way back from the range to my dad's house. I was talking to my stepmother after I arrived, and had apparently not completely snapped the retaining strap into place on the holster. Mid-conversation, out falls my PA-63 onto the floor with a loud thud/clack. "Oops!", I said. She had no real reaction to it, and I picked the pistol back up and re-holstered and explained that it was a new holster and why it had fallen. She's quite content that I carry - in fact has stated that she is "happy" that I carry and has been encouraging my dad to get a CHL for a while now, so this was a non-event.

I guess only two of those count as "staff" or "personnel".

[The Annoyed Man]

I haven't been "caught" yet, but I reckon that it's just a matter of time, particularly at my church where a lot of my friends are "huggy."

When giving/receiving a hug, I always keep my strong side arm low if I'm carrying IWB. (If I'm pocket carrying my 642, I've got no business hugging someone so close that they have to ask if that's a gun in my pocket. ) All the same, it's still just a matter of time before someone feels my magazine holsters and jumps to the inevitable conclusion. I do have one friend at church who I know for a fact CHLs because we've talked about it. I'm sure there are others, but I have no idea who they are, or how many there are.

So far, I've carried every time except one when I've been at business related meetings/functions. The one time I didn't was at my first Chamber of Commerce luncheon earlier this month. The reason was that I had no means of concealing a pistol with the business clothing I was wearing. The next day I went to Cabela's and bought myself a S&W 642 and a Desantis pocket holster.

In any case, my particular target market is small businesses, and most of them are either unaware of CHLs, or they don't care. I've scrupulously examined the entrance to every single business I've walked into for any kind of firearms related signs - and I have only seen one. That particular business, a restaurant (with a bar that is also popular with local motorcyclists), has a sign on the door barring the unlicensed carrying of firearms on the premises. In fact, a couple of times I've walked into businesses whose sole raison d'etre is selling wine by the glass and who probably ought to have 51% signs up but don't. One in particular has "Winery" on their sign, which for every other "Winery" in town means they sell wine by the bottle, but this particular place sells by the glass only.

But in any case, as far as I know I've never been made by a client (or anybody else, for that matter), unless they were too discrete to mention it to me.

[eric]

I know this is off topic but The annoyed man picture cracks me up everytime I see it. No offense. Sometimes I feel like that.

[dude]

In fact, a couple of times I've walked into businesses whose sole raison d'etre is selling wine by the glass and who probably ought to have 51% signs up but don't. One in particular has "Winery" on their sign, which for every other "Winery" in town means they sell wine by the bottle, but this particular place sells by the glass only.

I can't tell from your post if you went in armed or not... but if I understand the law correctly, CHLers can't enter a place like you described above, even if it does NOT have a 51% sign. Getting busted there would be very bad news.

[WildBill]

I know this is off topic but The annoyed man picture cracks me up everytime I see it. No offense. Sometimes I feel like that.

I am not an animal! I am a human being! I...am...a man!

[The Annoyed Man]

In fact, a couple of times I've walked into businesses whose sole raison d'etre is selling wine by the glass and who probably ought to have 51% signs up but don't. One in particular has "Winery" on their sign, which for every other "Winery" in town means they sell wine by the bottle, but this particular place sells by the glass only.

I can't tell from your post if you went in armed or not... but if I understand the law correctly, CHLers can't enter a place like you described above, even if it does NOT have a 51% sign. Getting busted there would be very bad news.

I actually was armed at the time - both times - but excused myself and exited as quickly and gracefully as I could as soon as I found out the nature of the business. Neither time was there anything obvious outside to say that this was what was inside. Grapevine, where I live, has a number of local wineries which are doing quite well. In most of them, they have a tasting room, but they sell by the bottle (or case), so I thought it would be the same as entering a liquor store, which I understand to be legal when you are armed. And for most of them, that would be the case. But in the case of the two that I mentioned, the sign said "winery," but in fact it was a wine bar - which I had no way of knowing from the exterior signage. Once inside, I realized that my presence was probably unlawful, since I was carrying, and I left immediately. Now that I'm aware that this could happen again, I will probably secure my weapon in the car before entering any more wineries at all, on the odd chance that it might turn out to be a wine bar.

I don't know how much common sense most LEOs would apply in that kind of situation, but I would like to think that if I pointed out that the signage said nothing about selling alcohol by the drink and also that I had left immediately after realizing what was going on, that most LEOs would give me the benefit of the doubt and cut me some slack. FWIW, I did nothing to cause suspicion that I might be armed anyway. The gun was well concealed, and since I was there in a business capacity, I was acting normally and professionally. And since I left right away, I was pretty sure that I got away with it. But now that I know not to trust that a winery isn't really a bar, it's a mistake I won't make again.

[The Annoyed Man]

I know this is off topic but The annoyed man picture cracks me up everytime I see it. No offense. Sometimes I feel like that.

You should see the profile.

[eric]

Ok, WildBill I tried to use the right words, give me a break, no harm intended. Ok.

[Velocity]

In fact, a couple of times I've walked into businesses whose sole raison d'etre is selling wine by the glass and who probably ought to have 51% signs up but don't. One in particular has "Winery" on their sign, which for every other "Winery" in town means they sell wine by the bottle, but this particular place sells by the glass only.

I can't tell from your post if you went in armed or not... but if I understand the law correctly, CHLers can't enter a place like you described above, even if it does NOT have a 51% sign. Getting busted there would be very bad news.

So this brings up an interesting question. In the Hill Country many wineries have "tasting rooms", where they may charge for tastings (typically $3-5 for a couple of sips of 4-6 different wines). They also sell bottles and sometimes cases of bottles onsite (for consumption offsite, one would assume) as well as ship many more to distributors, etc. Hardly a scenario where one would expect anywhere close, much less exceeding, the 51% rule for CHL to be an issue. I was acually up in the Hill Country around Memorial Day, and we did spend part of a day hitting several wineries. Since my friends and wife were doing most of the tasting (I was driving), I did carry. To my surprise, I did find ONE winery with a 51% sign posted. I went ahead and disarmed for that location, but rearmed afterwards..

Anyone know what the scoop is on wineries and the 51% law?

[flb_78]

wine bar.

and to think, we just gave you back your man card....

Wine bar?