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http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/0 ... th_st.html
A FedEx cargo handler stole 146 handguns from the Monmouth County facility where he worked and enlisted a friend to help sell the weapons at public housing projects in Jersey City and on the streets of Newark and East Orange, federal investigators said today.
I guess making us pay through the nose for shipping didn't eliminate the problem!!

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"It appears to be an isolated issue. We have very tight security procedures in place. We don't tolerate any type of illegal activity in our company," McCluskey said.
It's a good thing they have tight security, or New Jersey residents would be in real danger. He should be embarrassed to utter those words after 146 handguns walked out of his facility.
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I predict the cost of shipping firearms via fedex is about to go up.
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Ugh, I get this news the day after I send my precious EMP 9mm to Springfield Armory for some work. :banghead: Not a confidence booster!!
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This is not a new problem with FedEx or UPS. Unfortunately, it's been going on for a long time. This is one reason to make sure that you insure any package that you send.

Theft of shipments is one reason most companies dealing with firearms should have shipping addresses that aren't obvious, i.e. SHIP TO: SigArms Deluxe Expensive Handgun Repair Facility. :lol:
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"It appears to be an isolated issue. We have very tight security procedures in place. We don't tolerate any type of illegal activity in our company," McCluskey said.
One or two instances I might see as isolated issues - but 146 instances? This begs the question: What is the incident threshold FedEx would recognize as a well defined pattern of unlawful conduct?
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Excaliber wrote:This begs the question: What is the incident threshold FedEx would recognize as a well defined pattern of unlawful conduct?
One individual who doesn't want their gun stolen and decides not to inform FedEx of the contents of a package.
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Excaliber wrote:
"It appears to be an isolated issue. We have very tight security procedures in place. We don't tolerate any type of illegal activity in our company," McCluskey said.
One or two instances I might see as isolated issues - but 146 instances? This begs the question: What is the incident threshold FedEx would recognize as a well defined pattern of unlawful conduct?
He stole 76 and 70 in two thefts.
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Not only did he steal the handguns in the first place, but he was also stealing money from the buyers. $300 to $500 for a Bersa? "rlol"
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Mike1951 wrote:He stole 76 and 70 in two thefts.
That's still hard to explain and still be consistent with FedEx's contention that they have good security. It's less than reassuring that they apparently don't consider it suspicious if an employee takes a box big enough to hold that many guns out to his personally owned vehicle.
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Excaliber wrote:That's still hard to explain and still be consistent with FedEx's contention that they have good security. It's less than reassuring that they apparently don't consider it suspicious if an employee takes a box big enough to hold that many guns out to his personally owned vehicle.
As long as you have employees, no security system is going to completely prevent theft. At least they caught the guy and have eliminated one of the sources. Given the millions of packages processed by FedEx every day, I am surprised that it even made the news.

BTW, I don't consider it suspicious if employees take packages to their cars. I have personal USPS, UPS and FedEx packages delivered to work all the time. People bring and take personal items in and out of work all the time.
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WildBill wrote:BTW, I don't consider it suspicious if employees take packages to their cars. I have personal USPS, UPS and FedEx packages delivered to work all the time. People bring and take personal items in and out of work all the time.
Let me see if I understand this correctly:

The BG in this case was allegedly a cargo handler, working for FedEx all day with packages sent by and to others in a warehouse type environment. If a person in this position took a big, heavy box addressed to a gun importer whose name doesn't match his own out to his car, you'd just figure he'd gotten a FedEx delivery at work and there was nothing to be concerned about.

Just out of curiosity, what would you consider a potential indicator of theft in this environment?
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WildBill wrote:BTW, I don't consider it suspicious if employees take packages to their cars. I have personal USPS, UPS and FedEx packages delivered to work all the time. People bring and take personal items in and out of work all the time.
That's not true at a FedEx facility though. I've picked up packages at both the local FedEx and UPS distribution center, and procedures are pretty similar both places. Employees coming out have to go though a metal detector and anything they're carrying (including lunch pails and purses) are searched by security. They take security and theft pretty seriously.
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Excaliber wrote:
WildBill wrote:BTW, I don't consider it suspicious if employees take packages to their cars. I have personal USPS, UPS and FedEx packages delivered to work all the time. People bring and take personal items in and out of work all the time.
Let me see if I understand this correctly:

The BG in this case was allegedly a cargo handler, working for FedEx all day with packages sent by and to others in a warehouse type environment. If a person in this position took a big, heavy box addressed to a gun importer whose name doesn't match his own out to his car, you'd just figure he'd gotten a FedEx delivery at work and there was nothing to be concerned about.

Just out of curiosity, what would you consider a potential indicator of theft in this environment?
As Xander stated, the security for FedEx and UPS is different than most. I have never worked for such a facility so I am not familar with how their tracking and security work. I merely stated that at my company I would never be checked when I leave to see if the name on a package matched my own.

Maybe the guy at FedEx could have made a deal with the guard searching his belongings. If you have the desire you can figure out how the security system works and ways around it. How do drugs and other stuff get smuggled into jails when they are surrounded by prison guards and have multiple checkpoints and searches? My point is that if you have dishonest people working for you they are going to steal from you regardless of your security system. This guy didn't get caught stealing the guns until another guy on the street got caught selling them.
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At least Fedex is not as bad as UPS who in years past (maybe still) is famous (or infamous) for stealing firearms. I know...I was one of their victims!

Seems for awhile...anything addressed to a recognizable firearms manufacturer or repair center didn't stand much of a chance.

Subsequently, higher shipping prices and "express" shipping was instituted in an effort to curtail thefts (good for the companies but not so great for the customer).
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