51% sign at golf course?

[arod757]

Saw a red 51% sign posted at the entrance to the clubhouse at my local course today. I figured this would be valid for the "19th hole" but for the pro shop and actual course? I don't see THAT many people drunk out there in their golf carts to warrant the sign apply to the whole establishment. I mean, I could be wrong, but it just seemed a bit fishy to me. What do you guys think?

[Xander]

Saw a red 51% sign posted at the entrance to the clubhouse at my local course today. I figured this would be valid for the "19th hole" but for the pro shop and actual course? I don't see THAT many people drunk out there in their golf carts to warrant the sign apply to the whole establishment. I mean, I could be wrong, but it just seemed a bit fishy to me. What do you guys think?

From a previous thread on a similar situation with an ice rink that had a small bar in it:

The way the current law is written, the whole building is a licensed premise if the building was listed as a licensed premise. To restrict it to just the bar area, the licensee would need to file a drawing with the application that would then mark off just the parts of the building to which the license applies. If the bar owner does this, you could carry in the rink as long as you stay away from the bar. This is what happens with a bar in a strip center or a mall.

If the bar owner is also the ice rink owner, he could be running the location as two separate businesses at the same location. In this case, I am not sure how the rules on marking off parts of the business work but I think they are the same.

Now, to address the specific problem for this. You can do several things about this. The first is to ask the owner to amend his application to mark off the bar area as the licensed premise. You can also ask him to jsut report all of the sales properly to get the 51% removed. Talking with him for voluntary compliance is the best way, and letting him know of you other options might help.

The second is to file an open records request with TABC for any papers having to do with this license application. This will show you if there is a marked off area or not. If there is a marked off area, file a complaint with TABC that the location is not properly posted for the marked off area. You can also ignore the 51% signs (not recommended but you could) for the areas that are not part of the licensed premise.

If it is not marked off, then you can file a complaint with TABC that the person improperly reported the percentages of alcohol sales and other sales on his license application. You can also file a protest against his renewal of the license on these grounds. Either a complaint or a protest might be enough to convince the owner to rethink the way he has the license drawn. Of course, it might also be enough to get the owner mad at you and look for other ways to get back at you.

As a final option, you can always assume the owner did it deliberately to be anti-gun. In this case, you just stop going there and find a different rink if there is one near you. This might be the easiest way to handle the problem anyway, but I would let the owner know why also. I would also let him know how many of your friends you have told to avoid the business.

That thread is here: http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 7&p=124676

[quidni]

Saw a red 51% sign posted at the entrance to the clubhouse at my local course today.

It's probably the course where Foster Brooks used to play.

[boomerang]

The pro shop and green fees must be really cheap if they get more than half their money from alcohol.

[kd5zex]

The pro shop and green fees must be really cheap if they get more than half their money from alcohol.

Either that or the alcohol is very expensive.

[barnez]

probably a good thing i don't have a gun on the golf course ;)

[Photoman]

A very frustrating situation indeed. Basically, if the licensee includes the whole property on the application, then the whole property is off limits even though the consumption of alcohol is limited to a small area.

Just another nail in the coffin of CHL utility.