+1 For situational awareness. I don't know if I could take an intruders shotgun and shoot them with it. He didn't even have to pay for ammoBLUE MOUND — A homeowner who saw his wife threatened at gunpoint by an intruder wrested the gun from the man, killed him and wounded another intruder, police said.
The incident happened early today after two men kicked open the front door of the couple's home in this Fort Worth suburb.
Keith and Kellie Hoehn told police the men burst into their house and one of them pointed a shotgun at Mrs. Hoehn's head. She brushed the barrel aside, and a struggle ensued.
The husband got control of the gun and shot both men. The man who survived is being treated at a Fort Worth hospital.
Investigators said the homeowner is unlikely be charged. They said he shot the men out of concern for his sleeping children.
Police suspect that the intruders had broken into the garage of a nearby house earlier in the night.
Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
Moderators: carlson1, Charles L. Cotton
-
FlynJay
- Senior Member
- Posts: 276
- Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:58 am
- Location: League City, TX
Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5980902.html

IANAL, what I write should not be taken as Legal Advice.
"Why I may disagree with what you say, I’ll fight to the death your right to say it."
"Why I may disagree with what you say, I’ll fight to the death your right to say it."
- Purplehood
- Senior Member
- Posts: 4638
- Joined: Thu May 29, 2008 3:35 pm
- Location: Houston, TX
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
I would have shot the men out of concern for them bursting into my house uninvited...Investigators said the homeowner is unlikely be charged. They said he shot the men out of concern for his sleeping children.
Life NRA
USMC 76-93
USAR 99-07 (Retired)
OEF 06-07
USMC 76-93
USAR 99-07 (Retired)
OEF 06-07
-
BobCat
- Senior Member
- Posts: 911
- Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:33 pm
- Location: East Bernard, TX
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
I think the point is that shooting them for breaking in is "punishment" or "vigilante justice", and one is only supposed to shoot to avoid harm.
The cops are trying to cut this guy some slack by saying he had reason to shoot, to eliminate a continuing threat to the rest of his family.
If they wanted to be miserable about it, they could say he never ought to have shot the guys once he took the shotgun from one of them, because the immediate threat to him was arguably over at that point.
The cops are trying to cut this guy some slack by saying he had reason to shoot, to eliminate a continuing threat to the rest of his family.
If they wanted to be miserable about it, they could say he never ought to have shot the guys once he took the shotgun from one of them, because the immediate threat to him was arguably over at that point.
Retractable claws; the *original* concealed carry
-
phddan
- Senior Member
- Posts: 629
- Joined: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:21 pm
- Location: Briggs
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
I don't know.
Seems to me that the deadly threat isn't stopped until the two armed punks are not moving around in my house with my wife and kids there.
Dan
Seems to me that the deadly threat isn't stopped until the two armed punks are not moving around in my house with my wife and kids there.
Dan
-
Xander
- Senior Member
- Posts: 766
- Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:27 am
- Location: Plano
- Contact:
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
Not according to the law. They don't have to be armed for there to be justification to use deadly force.BobCat wrote:I think the point is that shooting them for breaking in is "punishment" or "vigilante justice", and one is only supposed to shoot to avoid harm.
The cops are trying to cut this guy some slack by saying he had reason to shoot, to eliminate a continuing threat to the rest of his family.
If they wanted to be miserable about it, they could say he never ought to have shot the guys once he took the shotgun from one of them, because the immediate threat to him was arguably over at that point.
- flintknapper
- Banned
- Posts: 4962
- Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:40 pm
- Location: Deep East Texas
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
Xander wrote:Not according to the law. They don't have to be armed for there to be justification to use deadly force.BobCat wrote:I think the point is that shooting them for breaking in is "punishment" or "vigilante justice", and one is only supposed to shoot to avoid harm.
The cops are trying to cut this guy some slack by saying he had reason to shoot, to eliminate a continuing threat to the rest of his family.
If they wanted to be miserable about it, they could say he never ought to have shot the guys once he took the shotgun from one of them, because the immediate threat to him was arguably over at that point.
Not to mention... he is covered by the Castle Doctrine.
Quick thinking by the "wife" to brush away the barrel of the shotgun. You just never know what the outcome of these things might be or what the appropriate response (comply or fight) from the victims should be.
Each case is different, but one thing is sure: Home Invaders are a "whole 'nother animal" when compared to common burglars. Anyone that has the nerve to break into your home (knowing you are there)... is a serious threat...and will be treated as such in my home.
Spartans ask not how many, but where!
- Purplehood
- Senior Member
- Posts: 4638
- Joined: Thu May 29, 2008 3:35 pm
- Location: Houston, TX
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
AMEN.
Life NRA
USMC 76-93
USAR 99-07 (Retired)
OEF 06-07
USMC 76-93
USAR 99-07 (Retired)
OEF 06-07
- anygunanywhere
- Senior Member
- Posts: 7879
- Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:16 am
- Location: Richmond, Texas
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
What Dan said.phddan wrote:I don't know.
Seems to me that the deadly threat isn't stopped until the two armed punks are not moving around in my house with my wife and kids there.
Dan
You are on a roll today.
Anygunanywhere
"When democracy turns to tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote." Mike Vanderboegh
"The Smallest Minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." – Ayn Rand
"The Smallest Minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." – Ayn Rand
-
Greybeard
- Senior Member
- Posts: 2415
- Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:57 pm
- Location: Denton County
- Contact:
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/880230.html indicates the deceased one actually came back for a "second dose".
CHL Instructor since 1995
http://www.dentoncountysports.com "A Private Palace for Pistol Proficiency"
http://www.dentoncountysports.com "A Private Palace for Pistol Proficiency"
- Purplehood
- Senior Member
- Posts: 4638
- Joined: Thu May 29, 2008 3:35 pm
- Location: Houston, TX
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
That is one helluva Mom and Dad.
It was apparent from the start that the intruders needed to be shot. That article erased any question I may have had on that issue.
It was apparent from the start that the intruders needed to be shot. That article erased any question I may have had on that issue.
Life NRA
USMC 76-93
USAR 99-07 (Retired)
OEF 06-07
USMC 76-93
USAR 99-07 (Retired)
OEF 06-07
-
WarHawk-AVG
- Senior Member
- Posts: 1403
- Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:05 pm
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
Well he had to get his shotgun back so he could rob the next door neighbor tooGreybeard wrote:http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/880230.html indicates the deceased one actually came back for a "second dose".
A sheepdog says "I will lead the way. I will set the highest standards. ...Your mission is to man the ramparts in this dark and desperate hour with honor and courage." - Lt. Col. Grossman
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ - Edmond Burke
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ - Edmond Burke
-
Wildscar
- Senior Member
- Posts: 1402
- Joined: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:04 pm
- Location: Dallas Area
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
Even the 12 year old was ready to fight them off. Gotta give him praise for that.star-telegram.com wrote:The couple's son grabbed his little sister and they hid in a closet with a pellet gun, Keith said.
Wildscar
"Far Better it is to dare mighty things than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt 1899
Beretta 92FS
Holster Review Resource
Project One Million:Texas - Click here and Join NRA Today!

"Far Better it is to dare mighty things than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt 1899
Beretta 92FS
Holster Review Resource
Project One Million:Texas - Click here and Join NRA Today!

- Excaliber
- Moderator
- Posts: 6200
- Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 9:59 pm
- Location: DFW Metro
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
Exemplary courage, tenacity, and outstanding teamwork by a couple who really have their act together and were prepared to resist evil when confronted with it.Greybeard wrote:http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/880230.html indicates the deceased one actually came back for a "second dose".
The children's actions certainly suggest that "what ifs" had been discussed with them prior to the incident.
It also helped that the husband knew how to operate the safety on a Remington 870, and the deceased home invader did not.
Excaliber
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." - Jeff Cooper
I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of my posts should be construed as legal or professional advice.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." - Jeff Cooper
I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of my posts should be construed as legal or professional advice.
- MrsFosforos
- Senior Member
- Posts: 367
- Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:25 pm
- Location: Dallas Area
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
I just saw this family interviewed on the news. The woman said "I am not heroic, I'm a mother ... he is a father." That says it all.
-
USMC-COL
- Member
- Posts: 191
- Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:34 pm
- Location: Helotes, Texas, USA
Re: Blue Mound homeowner kills one intruder, wounds another
I love happy endings. (Wiping away tears)
Respectfully and Semper Fi,
F. Phil Torres
Colonel of Marines, Retired
Independent Security Contractor
NRA Certified Firearms Instructor
Unarmed Combat Instructor
NRA Life Member
F. Phil Torres
Colonel of Marines, Retired
Independent Security Contractor
NRA Certified Firearms Instructor
Unarmed Combat Instructor
NRA Life Member