Can being too good, Hurt you?

[tboesche]

There is no way on Gds green earth or heavens above that you will shoot a half-inch group when your life is on the line.

Jack Bauer does.

Anygunanywhere

Yeah, But Jack is THE MAN! I can't wait unitl january

[isa268]

IMO no you can never be too good.

first, a good shot will be ruled a good shot regardless if you have a 2" group or a 8" group.

second, the streets are different then standing shoulders square to a paper target at a known distance that isn't shooting back. a 2" grouping at the range is not going to necessarily be a 2" grouping at o'dark thirty with the BG shooting back.

[TX Rancher]

While it’s true that accuracy, in general, will decrease (sometimes dramatically) during a fight, it’s still possible you could have a tight group.

But whether you have an ultra tight group, or how much training you’ve had, or how much you practice is not really the issue…the real issue is did you have a legal right to pull and fire your weapon. All the other issues are way in the back.

In other words, if you were justified in using deadly force, and your groups were tight, and you trained every day, I don’t think you are at undo risk here in Texas.

But if you didn’t have justification, but your group was big, you’re never went to training, and you never practiced…your dead meat in the legal system.

Now switch the training, practice, and hit pattern around between the two, and the outcome stays the same…did you have legal justification will be the critical piece in my opinion.

I do believe training and practice are assets and you can never be too good. Train hard and train often…and pick training that’s applicable to self defense and remember that training isn’t all with a weapon…some of it is understanding the legal issues and some of it is learning how to deescalate the situation.

[smokindragon]

Thank you for all the great responses.

I guess like most of y'all said, it really depends if it is a justified self defense issue.

And another important issue that was also brought up was about innocent bystanders..

So, I will just keep up with what I have been doing and train, train, train.

I would love to try my hand at some tournaments, but I work everyday 65 hours a week.

The only place I can find to go is the range over in Whiskey Flats, because they stay open until 8:00 in Sundays..

If anybody knows of anything (comp./training/etc.) that is available after 8:00 at night or before 10:00 in the mornings please hit me up.

Thanks

[billfromtx]

So if I put 2 center mass in the chest and one in the head...thats a bad thing!

[TX Rancher]

So if I put 2 center mass in the chest and one in the head...thats a bad thing!

It is if it's your chest and your head

[smyrna]

A good shoot, is a good shoot...

In terms of keeping you out of hot water and legal charges, what matters more than shots on target or group size of shots on target is were you JUSTIFIED pulling the trigger in the first place.

[Liko81]

If I am that good a shot and do happen to get a good grouping. Then if the Judge/Lawyer/relatives wanted to ask me why I made a kill shot grouping. My response is going to be "Because the innocent bystanders weren’t trying to kill me. I was more worried about stopping the one who wished me bodily harm."

However I do agree with other posters about this senario not likley to happen in the first place.

Deadly force is deadly force. If you put a bullet in the door jamb just to one side of the BG's head, that's deadly force against the BG. It's unlikely to stop said BG, and for that reason a warning shot is not recommended at all. If you shoot a BG in the head with a .22, you might as well have used a 12-gauge, and for that reason you want to have the most effective weapon available that you can control and that will not place those behind the BG at risk.

Deadly force is deadly force. There is no such thing at law as one use of force being "more deadly" than another. The gun, caliber, number of rounds, and placement are all irrelevant. So, practice as much as you can, in a practical setting if possible (IDPA/IPSC-style run & gun) and if G-d forbid the time ever comes when you're shooting at a live target who means you harm, play for keeps.

[bryang]

Thank you for all the great responses.

I guess like most of y'all said, it really depends if it is a justified self defense issue.

And another important issue that was also brought up was about innocent bystanders..

So, I will just keep up with what I have been doing and train, train, train.

I would love to try my hand at some tournaments, but I work everyday 65 hours a week.

The only place I can find to go is the range over in Whiskey Flats, because they stay open until 8:00 in Sundays..

If anybody knows of anything (comp./training/etc.) that is available after 8:00 at night or before 10:00 in the mornings please hit me up.

Thanks

Smokindragon, you are going to be just fine. Keep doing what you are doing by reading everything you can, especially this forum, and practice, practice, practice. I understand your desire to learn and get good training, but don't have the time. I have always wanted to go to Thunder Ranch and take some classes, but never had the time..or the money. However, you can get some great videos from places like Thunder Ranch (and there are many more that are very good) I only mention Clint Smith because I have several of his videos and have learned a lot from them. Nothing will ever take the place of actually attending a hands on class, even locally if you can, but if you are not able to for what ever the reason, you might look into some of these training videos.

I wish you all the luck and remember...practice, practice, practice,
-geo

[smokindragon]

Smokindragon, you are going to be just fine. Keep doing what you are doing by reading everything you can, especially this forum, and practice, practice, practice. I understand your desire to learn and get good training, but don't have the time. I have always wanted to go to Thunder Ranch and take some classes, but never had the time..or the money. However, you can get some great videos from places like Thunder Ranch (and there are many more that are very good) I only mention Clint Smith because I have several of his videos and have learned a lot from them. Nothing will ever take the place of actually attending a hands on class, even locally if you can, but if you are not able to for what ever the reason, you might look into some of these training videos.

I wish you all the luck and remember...practice, practice, practice,
-geo

Thanks Geo,

I have learned some from a few books, but the videos sound like a better idea. Anytime you can see something done it makes learning that much easier.
I have 2 acres of land and am able to practice out there quite a bit, but since I don't get home until after dark I can't do it all the time, neighbors will complain...

Clint

[Skiprr]

Just a note that practice and training doesn't have to be live-fire. In fact, I agree with Gabe Suarez that most of your practice should be dry: no ammo. Airsoft is another good option, and even affords the possibility of force-on-force practice. Shouldn't disturb the neighbors in the slightest.