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Re: Steal an old man's groceries

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Revet wrote:I never expected that this thread would veer toward a criticism of my father's decision not to make a police report--I sure didn't post the story to have others debate the Christianity of his decision.

I hope I'm misreading the tone of some of the comments and that they were not intended by strangers to impugn a very religious man's Christianity. There's quite a bit said in the Bible about people who think they have a right to judge others. My father is a dignified and stoic individual. He's been through hardship and injury that would have destroyed most people. The experiences he survived in the very many years he's lived taught him not to sweat the small stuff. But beyond that, he also felt he didn't have enough information to make an actionable report since it all happened so fast and he was completely taken off guard.

While he didn't say so, I can imagine that the elderly must feel embarrassed at being tricked like this. That's probably especially so when they've been victimized by trusting their fellow man too much for modern times.
It's always the victim's choice about whether or not to report an incident.

From experience with elderly victims, I suspect that embarrassment and lack of knowledge of how police solve crimes both contributed to his decision not to report his experience.

Repetitive crimes are usually solved by gaining incremental knowledge from each one - more description and operating method details, etc. - and pattern information (locations, day of week, time of day, victim population, etc.). Something that your dad may have been able to add may have been a missing piece they'd been waiting for, even though by itself it didn't look to him like anyone could do much with it. While he probably wouldn't have gotten his groceries back, his report may have helped keep others from becoming victims of the same team, but, once again, the decision is his and I wouldn't attach any moral burden to it one way or the other.
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The incident should have been reported for reasons given in the foregoing. A theft is a theft. Religion, or lack of it, does not excuse the criminal action, IMHO.
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Oldgringo wrote:The incident should have been reported for reasons given in the foregoing. A theft is a theft. Religion, or lack of it, does not excuse the criminal action, IMHO.
Nor does it make a good person into a bad one for his choice of whether or not to file a report.

The wrong here is purely on the part of the criminals who committed the act.

I would like to have seen it reported as well, but the choice for that situation has already been made.

If the reasons for reporting as discussed here were shared with the victim, he may make a different choice if there is a next time, or share the reasons with someone else who may not have had the benefit of this information.
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Re: Steal an old man's groceries

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"I hope I'm misreading the tone of some of the comments and that they were not intended by strangers to impugn a very religious man's Christianity."

Speaking for myself, I was not intending to impugn anyone's religion, only to commend it. Turning the other cheek is what your father did, whether it is what he intended or not. For this, I commend him. As an Atheist, I hear a great many spout about WWJD, yet none actually do it. As his son, it is only understandable that you would cry for vengeance for your father's victimization. I only sought to point out, that in the cosmic scheme of things, your father's choice has earned him a great many points in the "win" column. I only hope that I'm a capable of such restraint when/if such a thing should happen to me. I fear I will not be, and someone will be dead/injured for a simple thing as a mouthful of bread.
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