You rember when we were talking about the def of an arsenel?

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Grenade launchers, machine guns, C-4, weapons cache stuns agents

By Mike Carter
Seattle Times staff reporter

A 65-year-old Spokane man has been ordered held in custody on federal charges of illegally possessing automatic weapons and illegally storing explosives in a Bellevue commercial storage shed while agents investigate how he came to possess a huge military-grade arsenal that included grenade launchers, machine guns and plastic explosives.

Ronald Struve, heavyset and bearded, appeared in Seattle before U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Alice Theiler on Tuesday after being extradited from Spokane, where he was arrested Jan. 7 during a raid by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).

In four searches in Bellevue and Spokane, agents seized 37 machine guns, 12 silencers, two grenade launchers, more than 60 high-explosive grenades, several pounds of military-grade C-4 plastic explosives and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Most of this material was stored in commercial sheds near businesses and homes, said Assistant U. S. Attorney Thomas Woods.

At a detention hearing set for Friday, Woods said he will present evidence that Struve possessed "anti-government material."

According to a complaint filed earlier this month, Struve "planned to use the items at some uncertain date in the future."

Two law-enforcement sources familiar with the case, but who spoke on condition of anonymity, used the term "Armageddon" to describe what Struve was apparently awaiting in stockpiling the weapons.

Agents have served four search warrants — three in Spokane and another in Lynnwood.

The Lynnwood shed was empty; however, agents recovered eight machine guns and additional grenade rounds in a search on a storage shed in Spokane.

The search of the Bellevue storage shed did not require a warrant because agents were given permission by a man who purchased the contents at an auction.

ATF Special Agent Heidi Wallace said much of the recovered ordnance was almost certainly stolen from the military because there is no other place to get it.

Woods said the investigation is continuing and that a grand-jury indictment is possible. So far, agents have questioned at least two others — including a man who rented the shed in Bellevue. No other arrests have been made.

Wallace, who was at Struve's court hearing Tuesday, said there was no evidence at this point that Struve was involved in domestic terrorism.

Struve first came to the ATF's attention in November, when the man who had purchased the shed's contents contacted the agency after he found it full of boxes of firearms, shells and other military-style hardware and wanted to know if the weapons were legal to keep.

The bureau sent Wallace to the buyer's garage, where he had stacked the contents from the storage unit. What Wallace found were "many boxes, plastic bins and ammunition containers."

The first box contained what appeared to be several machine guns. Likewise, the second box contained military-type firearms. In the third box, Wallace found "two grenades and other possible explosives."

Other agents were called, and what they found was startling — and worrisome.

"In all my years, I've never seen this sort of firepower in one place," said ATF Special Agent Nick Starcevic, the Seattle office's senior operations officer.

One box contained 54 M406 high-explosive grenade rounds — 40-millimeter shells that can be launched from a shoulder-fired weapon to distances of 300 yards or more, according to military specification.

Its explosion creates a "kill radius" of up to 16 feet from the point of impact and injuries dozens of yards beyond that.

Agents also found several other anti-personnel grenades, including a Korean War-era "Chicom" stick grenade.

In another box, agents found six blocks of C-4 plastic explosives.

Agents counted 32 apparent machine guns, including M-14s, M-16s, and several "Sten guns," a mass-produced submachine gun known for its high rate of fire — upward of 500 rounds per minute.

They also found nine silencers and the parts for several others, as well as thousands of rounds of ammunition and various other military hardware.

"All of the military explosive items seized are considered contraband and cannot be possessed by anyone other than the military," Wallace wrote in a search warrant. "The majority of the items seized appeared to be stolen military explosive materials."

[CHL/LEO]

...when the man who had purchased the shed's contents contacted the agency after he found it full of boxes of firearms, shells and other military-style hardware and wanted to know if the weapons were legal to keep.

I find it hard to believe that a mini-warehouse would auction the contents of a storage shed without at least checking out what they were selling. I may have to start attending some of these auctions just to see what's out there

[Pinkycatcher]

...when the man who had purchased the shed's contents contacted the agency after he found it full of boxes of firearms, shells and other military-style hardware and wanted to know if the weapons were legal to keep.

I find it hard to believe that a mini-warehouse would auction the contents of a storage shed without at least checking out what they were selling. I may have to start attending some of these auctions just to see what's out there

Nope they open it the day of the auction, to show the buyers that it hasn't been interrupted

[TDDude]

"Now, that's a knife."

[jimlongley]

...when the man who had purchased the shed's contents contacted the agency after he found it full of boxes of firearms, shells and other military-style hardware and wanted to know if the weapons were legal to keep.

I find it hard to believe that a mini-warehouse would auction the contents of a storage shed without at least checking out what they were selling. I may have to start attending some of these auctions just to see what's out there

They conduct those auctions pretty much sight unseen. When we had a storage room the one next to ours was auctioned, including the almost brand new Harley, and it all went for pennies on the dollar.

And there are always the tales of trunks and chests bought at auction found to contain all kinds of treasure or treasured stuff.

[gregthehand]

I know a guy that goes to those and also he buys cargo containers from ports. Basically some companies are huge and don't manage their invnetory well. So they actually forget to pick-up caontainers of whatever. He said it's mostly a break even point. So when you think about how much they make when they strike it big you probably wind up with a bunch of junk. I think the most he said he ever made was when he got a container full or house paint. He has an empty corner lot around Houston where he sells the stuff. He sold the paint for way less than Lowe's but still made a killing.

[Ace_Inthe_O]

I wonder if these are truly fully-automatic select fire weapons or just the media's opinion of what a military type rifle is? Also can anyone outside of the military legally obtain grenades?

[seamusTX]

The charges came from BATFE. AFAICT, they really were machine guns.

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From what I've heard, the U.S. military did not issue semi-automatic rifles in Vietnam. They were all select-fire or full auto.

It's my understanding that you can legally own grenades, rockets, and so forth. They are classed as "destructive devices" under federal law and require paperwork similar to machine guns. Some states ban them entirely.

- Jim