Anti-Gun People Aren't Stupid!

[Abraham]

So what's their agenda?

They know that stripped of firearms, citizens will be more vulnerable to criminals, but that's a risk they're willing (for the general population) to take. Certainly, at this point, they aren't blind to the fact that criminals will be remain armed.

I'm speculating, that fewer (in their view) guns available in totality, over time, will lessen the guns available to criminals, children, domestic disputers, bickering neighbors, the suicidal, etc., thus creating a safer environment.

Is this the benign/naive view most anti-gunners hold?

Or does it go deeper...?

[Purplehood]

In my opinion it is simply an Adam and Eve argument that the majority of anti-gunners consciously or unconsciously subscribe to.

If there is no temptation, there is no sin. We don't have guns, we won't be mean to each other.

Perfect-world syndrome.

[Fangs]

My room mate's girlfriend put it this way, "It's like you're just saying, 'Oh, I have a bigger stick,' That's so stupid, if all guns were illegal no one would have them."

To which I calmly replied, "Yeah, just like no one smokes pot."

Her brother smokes pot, and she knows how easy it is for anyone who wants it to get it. Heh.

The fact is, there is evil in this world, and when it comes for me or mine I'll "stop" it.

[Oldgringo]

Purplehood wrote:

If there is no temptation, there is no sin. We don't have guns, we won't be mean to each other.

We're fixin' to have a beer/wine election here in our little hamlet and that's the mentality of the folk who would rather drive 60 miles to buy their spirits than take a chance on someone seeing them purchase the product at a local store.

Back on topic - calling the anti-gunners stupid is one thing; assuming that they are stupid and/or disorganized will be a very big and perhaps fatal mistake.

[OverEasy]

They aren't stupid, they are sick.

http://www.jpfo.org/common-sense/cs8.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Psychiatric Analysis Shows
Anti-Gun People Suffer "Mental Condition"
By Richard W. Stevens

They fear both their own feelings and the motivations of their neighbors, so many anti-gun people lapse into psychological defense patterns. These patterns, according to Sarah Thompson, M.D., lay the foundation of the anti-gun mentality. Dr. Thompson, a psychiatrist and author, detailed these observations in the Fall 2000 issue of the Bill of Rights Sentinel, published by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO).

"Defense mechanisms distort reality," notes Dr. Thompson. "The common thread in anti-gun people is rage."

Mental State: Rage and Projection

Dr. Thompson’s article, entitled "Raging Against Self Defense," explains that many people are terrified not only by the risk of crime but also by their own angry feelings. Deep inside they are afraid that they might get so upset one day that they would want to hurt or kill another person. If a firearm were handy, they imagine that they might just use it to do violence.

To bury these scary thoughts, some people project them onto other people and inanimate objects. Beliefs that other people will attack without warning, or that firearms are the cause of violence, are two results of this emotional defense mechanism known as "projection."

Mental State: Anxiety and Denial

Another defense mechanism typical of the anti-gun mentality is "denial." Because of their anxiety about helplessness and vulnerability, some people flatly reject any facts that suggest any need to protect themselves. "It can’t happen here" is the typical expression of denial.

In a statement to the press, Aaron Zelman, Executive Director of JPFO, reacted to Dr. Thompson’s findings: "It always seems strange that some people actually oppose the right to self-defense. These psychological insights help explain why some Americans can’t understand the right to keep and bear arms. They are suffering from a mental condition."

Firearms Ownership Triggers Emotional Storm

Hatred of guns and gun owners flares up, Dr. Thompson finds, because anxious anti-gun people see the very existence of firearms as proving self-defense is necessary. Anti-gun people have psychologically denied the need for self-defense, but firearms ownership shatters their illusion. The mere fact that people own and use firearms is a like a neon sign reminding them about the reality they so desperately want to deny. They react intensely by charging that the gun owners are the violent menace to society.

Example: Irrational Rosie O’Donnell

"Rosie O’Donnell proved the point," commented Zelman. "She said she wanted all gun owners thrown in prison, regardless of whether those owners committed any actual crime. That sort of unthinking rage against responsible firearms ownership could only come from someone with some kind of emotional problem."

Studies show that firearms are used well over 5,000 times per day to stop or deter crimes. "You can’t reasonably deny that firearms save lives, " Zelman said. "You would have to be crazy to want to make it harder for innocent people to protect themselves."

Crazy Rulers with Blind Followers?

Here’s a dangerous combination: political leaders who irrationally fear guns and loathe gun owners – in charge of law enforcement officers who will just “follow orders” to disarm innocent Americans. Many American law men would never turn knowingly against their fellow citizens and confiscate firearms – but some would do exactly that if so ordered.

An eye-opening interview with a California police officer shows exactly how some officers would carry out a civilian disarmament order, regardless of their oath to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Most younger Americans know almost nothing about our fundamental rights – and young law officers aren’t any different. See the whole disturbing interview on the CCOPS website

Read Dr. Thompson’s article on-line at http://www.jpfo.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. For easier reading and to distribute copies, order a bundle of the Fall 2000 Issue of The Bill of Rights Sentinel (formerly the Firearms Sentinel). This 40-page issue also contains the gripping true story of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and insights about why women should care about the right to keep and bear arms.

To get these articles, and to join JPFO (you don’t have to be Jewish), call (800) 869-1884 or click on the website. Annual dues are still only $20. A 50-pack of The Bill of Rights Sentinel is just $29.95 postage paid. Grab control of the debate by getting inside the minds of the anti-gunners – and destroy their credibility. Act today

I saw a similar article last week on another board. I'll try to find it.
Regards, OE

[Purplehood]

They aren't stupid, they are sick.

http://www.jpfo.org/common-sense/cs8.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Psychiatric Analysis Shows
Anti-Gun People Suffer "Mental Condition"
By Richard W. Stevens

They fear both their own feelings and the motivations of their neighbors, so many anti-gun people lapse into psychological defense patterns. These patterns, according to Sarah Thompson, M.D., lay the foundation of the anti-gun mentality. Dr. Thompson, a psychiatrist and author, detailed these observations in the Fall 2000 issue of the Bill of Rights Sentinel, published by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO).

"Defense mechanisms distort reality," notes Dr. Thompson. "The common thread in anti-gun people is rage."

Mental State: Rage and Projection

Dr. Thompson’s article, entitled "Raging Against Self Defense," explains that many people are terrified not only by the risk of crime but also by their own angry feelings. Deep inside they are afraid that they might get so upset one day that they would want to hurt or kill another person. If a firearm were handy, they imagine that they might just use it to do violence.

To bury these scary thoughts, some people project them onto other people and inanimate objects. Beliefs that other people will attack without warning, or that firearms are the cause of violence, are two results of this emotional defense mechanism known as "projection."

Mental State: Anxiety and Denial

Another defense mechanism typical of the anti-gun mentality is "denial." Because of their anxiety about helplessness and vulnerability, some people flatly reject any facts that suggest any need to protect themselves. "It can’t happen here" is the typical expression of denial.

In a statement to the press, Aaron Zelman, Executive Director of JPFO, reacted to Dr. Thompson’s findings: "It always seems strange that some people actually oppose the right to self-defense. These psychological insights help explain why some Americans can’t understand the right to keep and bear arms. They are suffering from a mental condition."

Firearms Ownership Triggers Emotional Storm

Hatred of guns and gun owners flares up, Dr. Thompson finds, because anxious anti-gun people see the very existence of firearms as proving self-defense is necessary. Anti-gun people have psychologically denied the need for self-defense, but firearms ownership shatters their illusion. The mere fact that people own and use firearms is a like a neon sign reminding them about the reality they so desperately want to deny. They react intensely by charging that the gun owners are the violent menace to society.

Example: Irrational Rosie O’Donnell

"Rosie O’Donnell proved the point," commented Zelman. "She said she wanted all gun owners thrown in prison, regardless of whether those owners committed any actual crime. That sort of unthinking rage against responsible firearms ownership could only come from someone with some kind of emotional problem."

Studies show that firearms are used well over 5,000 times per day to stop or deter crimes. "You can’t reasonably deny that firearms save lives, " Zelman said. "You would have to be crazy to want to make it harder for innocent people to protect themselves."

Crazy Rulers with Blind Followers?

Here’s a dangerous combination: political leaders who irrationally fear guns and loathe gun owners – in charge of law enforcement officers who will just “follow orders” to disarm innocent Americans. Many American law men would never turn knowingly against their fellow citizens and confiscate firearms – but some would do exactly that if so ordered.

An eye-opening interview with a California police officer shows exactly how some officers would carry out a civilian disarmament order, regardless of their oath to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Most younger Americans know almost nothing about our fundamental rights – and young law officers aren’t any different. See the whole disturbing interview on the CCOPS website

Read Dr. Thompson’s article on-line at http://www.jpfo.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. For easier reading and to distribute copies, order a bundle of the Fall 2000 Issue of The Bill of Rights Sentinel (formerly the Firearms Sentinel). This 40-page issue also contains the gripping true story of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and insights about why women should care about the right to keep and bear arms.

To get these articles, and to join JPFO (you don’t have to be Jewish), call (800) 869-1884 or click on the website. Annual dues are still only $20. A 50-pack of The Bill of Rights Sentinel is just $29.95 postage paid. Grab control of the debate by getting inside the minds of the anti-gunners – and destroy their credibility. Act today

I saw a similar article last week on another board. I'll try to find it.
Regards, OE

What a relief, now I can tell anti-gunners that they are just mental~!

[OverEasy]

Here is the other article I saw.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthr ... ?t=1000939" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Know Thine Enemy...

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Prompted by WIG19's post,
Quote:
Originally Posted by WIG19
OK contestants, here are today's categories.

Whenever we read news articles, editorial opinions (some would say they are one in the same), posts here on Glock Talk and other firearm forums, we label those taking anti-gun stances. WIG19 found this to help in that endeavor.

Now, I have to say that while these may be accurate, be very, very, very careful using them to describe any fellow GT member. I would even suggest you reserve them for describing people outside the GT Community. If you use them to insult a fellow GTer, you will receive an Infraction, no Warning, a Red Card Infraction - that's a promise.


Know Thine Enemy
By Kirby Ferris

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. © JPFO 2009


JPFO, not all that long after its founding, presented an essay by Gus Cotey in a popular magazine of the time. I read this article and shook my head in disbelief. Cotey had NAILED it! I did something I’d never done: I tracked down the author’s phone number and called him and congratulated him on what was a terrific breakthrough in understanding. It was a breakthrough that all gun owners could use as “high impact” intellectual ammunition.

What Cotey had done, with marvelous perception, was identify the seven personality types that make up the victim disarmament crowd. Cotey saw through the emotionalized preaching and posturing and pandering and put the true motivations of these dangerous buffoons under a microscope.

And today, you name ‘em: Dianne Feinstein, cackling Carolyn McCarthy, Smirky Chuckie Schumer, our new Attorney General Eric Holder, duplicitous movie stars like Daniel “Defiance” Craig, vile manipulators like Michael Moore, sob sister Sarah Brady … the entire list of gun grabbers.

The next time some politician, celebrity, journalist or jabbering spokesperson speaks out for the disarmament of the American people, you can file that popinjay’s name in one (or more) of seven boxes. We must understand these liars before we can defeat them.

Without further ado, I proudly present ..…



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THE SEVEN VARIETIES OF
GUN CONTROL ADVOCATE

by Gus Cotey, Jr.

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. © JPFO 2009

The right of decent private citizens to personally possess, transport, and responsibly use arms without government interference is the ultimate freedom and the main pillar supporting all other liberties. Few cultures have allowed their general population access to weapons, the tools of power, to the same degree as the United States. Instead, most societies have restricted the keeping and bearing of arms to a select few power brokers and their agents, often resulting in oppression on a grand scale.

Despite a massive amount of historical evidence to the contrary, there is a substantial body of Americans, many occupying positions of influence, who contend that the abrogation of the Second Amendment is the quickest path to domestic tranquility. Since this is as absurd as advocating blood-letting as a cure for anemia, it would seem advisable to question the motives and mentalities of the gun control advocates themselves.

In my observation, weapon prohibitionists can be broken down into seven major categories. Even though their motives may vary they all pose a mortal threat to liberty.


ELITISTS

Many of those in favor of oppressive firearms legislation are are best classed as elitists. Elitists frequently identify with a peer group based on wealth, power, rank, social status, occupation, education, ethnic group, etc. and perceive themselves and their peers as inherently superior to and more responsible than the "common people", thus more deserving of certain rights. Since elitists practically consider those outside their class or caste as members of another species, that most anti-elitist list of laws, the Bill of Rights is viewed by them as anathema. Naturally, the Second Amendment is their first target as it serves as the supporting structure for other nine amendments.


AUTHORITARIANS

Another type of individual who favors the restriction of private gun ownership is the authoritarian. Authoritarian personalities are characterized by their belief in unquestioning obedience to an authority figure or group and a disdain for individual freedom of action, expression, and judgement. Those with authoritarian personalities function well in symbiosis with elitists occupying positions of power. Because authoritarians repress their desires for autonomy they harbor a deep resentment toward free and independent thinkers. Of course authoritarians do not want firearms in the hands of the general population as this constitutes a major obstacle to fulfilling their pathological and obsessive desire to control people.


CRIMINALS

It goes without saying that career criminals would like to see the public disarmed for obvious reasons. A well-armed population makes crimes such as assault, robbery, and burglary hazardous for the perpetrator and this is bad for "business." Also, it would seem that even non-violent or "white collar" criminals live in constant fear of retribution from the public that they financially bleed and would therefore prefer that the public be disarmed. Evidence supporting this hypothesis can be gathered by studying the Second Amendment voting records of those legislators who have been convicted of willful misconduct.


THE FEARFUL

Cowards by definition are easily or excessively frightened by things and situations that are recognized as dangerous, difficult, or painful. It therefore stands to reason that the mere thought of guns and the circumstances in which they are employed causes them abnormal amounts of stress. Rather than admit their weakness to themselves or others, some fearful types jump on the anti-gun bandwagon and purport moral superiority to those "barbaric"enough to employ lethal force against armed assailants by claiming various humanitarian and pragmatic motives for allowing evil to remain unchecked. In reality, many of these individuals harbor an envy induced resentment toward anyone with the means, skill, and will to successfully stand up to criminal aggression.

The desire to assert oneself exists in nearly everyone, wimps included, so cowards seek out tame enemies against whom they can ply their pitiful brand of machismo. Instead of the sociopaths who commit acts of wanton aggression with guns, guns themselves and responsible gun owners are the main targets of their attacks. After all, real criminals are dangerous, so cowards prefer doing battle with inanimate objects that do not have a will of their own and decent law-abiding people whose high level of integrity and self discipline prevent them from physically lashing out against mere verbal assailants, however obnoxious they may be.


IDEOLOGICAL CHAMELEONS

Ideological chameleons follow the simple social strategy of avoiding controversy and confrontation by espousing the beliefs of the people in their immediate vicinity or advocating the philosophy of those who scream the loudest in a debate. Quite a few supposedly pro Second Amendment public officials have shown themselves to be ideological chameleons when they supported restrictions on the private possession of military style semiautomatic rifles following recent atrocities in which such firearms were employed. Like their reptilian namesake, people who merely blend in with the ambient philosophical foliage seem to have little insight into the moral and social ramifications of their actions. Political and/or economic gain along with avoidance of confrontation are their only goals.


SECURITY MONOPOLISTS

Security monopolists are those members and representatives of public and private security providing concerns who want the means of self protection out of private hands so that they can command high fees for protecting the citizenry against the rising tide of crime. These profiteers stand to loose a great deal of capital if citizens can efficiently defend themselves. To the security monopolist, each criminal who enters and exits the revolving door of justice is a renewable source of revenue providing jobs for police, social workers, victim counsellors, judges, prison employees, security guards, burglar alarm installers, locksmiths, and others employed by the security monopolies or their satellite organizations. No wonder it is so common for an honest citizen to be more ruthlessly hounded by the authorities when he shoots a criminal in self defense than a criminal who shoots honest citizens.


THE DYSFUNCTIONALLY UNWORLDLY

Just as a limb will weaken and atrophy if not used, so will aspects of the mind fail to develop if nothing in one's environment exists to challenge them. People who have led excessively sheltered lives tend to have a difficult time understanding certain cause and effect relationships and an even harder time appreciating just how cruel the world can be. These dysfunctionally unworldly types are truly perplexed at the very notion of firearms ownership with regard to defense. To them, tyranny and crime are things that happen in other places far removed from their "civilized" universe. Also, they do not understand the value of private property and why some people would fight for theirs since they never had to work hard to acquire what they possess. While those suffering from dysfunctional unworldliness are most often people who have been born into considerable wealth, this condition is also common in members of the clergy, academicians, practioners of the arts, and others who have spent much of their lives cloistered in a safe and pampering environment. While many of these people may be quite talented and intelligent in some ways, their extreme naivety makes them easy prey for the tyrants who use them for the financial support and favorable advertisement of their regimes. Needless to say, the anti-gun movement is well represented and financed by the dysfunctionally unworldly.

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, and it behooves all vigilant lovers of liberty to know and be able to recognize the various types of arms prohibitionists and understand their differing but equally dangerous motives. Acquiring knowledge of one's foes is the first step toward defeating them. We must never forget that a threat to private firearms ownership is a threat to all freedoms.

The inalienable and fundamental right to keep and bear arms which is enumerated by (but actually predates) the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not about hunting, gun collecting, or target shooting. Its purpose is to insure that every responsible American personally possesses the means to defend the Republic from all forms of tyranny, within and without. It is what permits the other nine Amendments in the Bill of Rights to be more than mere hollow phrases on a piece of paper. Its free exercise is the antithesis of serfdom and the only meaningful form of holocaust insurance known to man.

We must never insult and degrade the spirits of our Founding Fathers by permitting the Second Amendment, the pillar of freedom, to be destroyed by the cold flame of legislative ink.

What do know? JPFO again! They have some really good material, especially the DVDs they have produced.
'You' might be able to come up with a rational reason why 'you' shouldn't carry a gun.
But you can't come up with a rational reason why I shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun.....
Regards, OE

[jorge]

There some are anti-gun people who want to disarm us for Evil reasons but I also believe the old saying "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

[bdickens]

Gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.

[casingpoint]

Rosie O’Donnell proved the point...That sort of unthinking rage against responsible firearms ownership could only come from someone with some kind of emotional problem.

Roger that.

[nitrogen]

Most anti-gunners are ignorant, not stupid.

Of course I am not talking about the Schumers, Feinstiens, and that lady from NY whatever her name is; I mean most of their supporters on the issue.

[shootthesheet]

There are activist and there are the willingly ignorant that follow them. Most people are not anti-gun but anti-crime.

And for all those who think we will ever "win" I have bad news. As long as children are born and grow-up we will be fighting to help new people understand that it is human action that is the cause of crime and not any tool. Settle in, get out the check book and make a place in the budget. This will not end during any of our lifetimes.

[Frost]

The ones on the fence, or who never really thought about it are convinceable. If they self identify as antigun then they either have completely different ideas about human nature that go so deep you might as well be trying to convert them to a different religion or their thoughts are wrapped in so many layers of rationalization and denial that the only thing that can pierce it is them or someone close to them being a crime victim. Even that does not always get through.