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Well this aint going help the campus carry bill any. :mad5
Yahoo News wrote:3 dead, 2 hurt in Ga. shooting; professor sought

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ATHENS, Ga. – A University of Georgia professor who police suspect in the fatal shootings of his ex-wife and two men outside a theater near campus Saturday disappeared in his Jeep after dropping his children off with a neighbor, authorities said.

A nationwide manhunt was on for 57-year-old George Zinkhan, whom neighbors and others described as a quiet, introverted and respected marketing professor at the university in Athens.

Members of a local theater group had gathered midday at the Athens Community Theater when Zinkhan left his children in his car and fired at them, said Athens-Clarke County Police Capt. Clarence Holeman. Killed were Zinkhan's ex-wife Marie Bruce, 47, Tom Tanner, 40, and Ben Teague, 63, Holeman said. Two others were injured by flying shrapnel.

SWAT members swarmed Zinkhan's neighborhood about seven miles from campus, and authorities searched his university office but came up empty. It didn't appear he had used his credit cards or ATM card, police said.

"We're doing everything we can to shut him down," Holeman said. "I believe he will turn up somewhere, somehow."

Zinkhan has been a professor in the Terry College of Business and had no disciplinary problems, university spokesman Pete Konenkamp said. He has taught at the school since the 1990s.

"His track record is impeccable as far as his teaching credentials," Konenkamp said. "He's a respected professor on campus."

The three victims were all involved with the Town & Gown Players Inc., a group that had planned an evening performance of "Sherlock Holmes: The Final Adventure" at the theater. The show was canceled after the shooting.

Tanner was set to be Dr. John Watson in the play, and Teague described himself on a Web site that bears his name as "a confirmed theater bum" for the local group. Bruce, a family law attorney her friends described as a well-respected, had for years volunteered as a set designer and director for the group.

Zinkhan had argued with at least one of the victims prior to the shooting, Holeman said. After walking away, he returned with the guns and opened fire. Police said they received a call about 12:25 p.m.

Zinkhan then drove his young son and daughter to a next-door neighbor's home in Bogart and dropped them off, only saying he needed them to watch them for about an hour because of an emergency.

Neighbor Robert Covington said when he asked Zinkhan's daughter, who is about 10 years old, about the emergency "all she would relate to me was there was something about a firecracker." The children were with police, and Covington said his neighborhood for awhile was "police central." Covington described Zinkhan and Bruce as still living together in the house.

Athens-Clarke County Coroner Sonny Wilson said the three victims were shot multiple times. Two different guns were involved, and neither was recovered at the scene, nor at Zinkhan's two-story colonial in the tidy middle-class suburb of Athens, Holeman said.

Authorities issued a nationwide alert for Zinkhan and his 2005 red Jeep Liberty. Zinkhan also has a house in Amsterdam, Netherlands, and authorities were keeping a lookout at airports. Also, police in Austin, Texas, have been alerted since Zinkhan has family there.

"Anyone who shoots three people is dangerous, that's the best way I can put it," Holeman said.

Shortly after the shooting, the university issued a campus-wide alert as a precaution.

"Our first thoughts are for safety of the university community and for prompt apprehension of the person responsible," university President Michael F. Adams said in a statement.

Zinkhan was quiet and introverted, Covington said, but he never suspected something like the shootings.

"It's a pretty huge shock," Covington said.

Dana Adams, who lives across the street, said police looking for Zinkhan had hidden in her backyard. She didn't know the professor that well, but described him as "kind of a strange character," who would sometimes walk off in the middle of a conversation. "But I would never suspect this."

Bruce, Zinkhan's ex-wife, loved the theater and recently directed a production of "Trip to Bountiful," said Wesley Cook who knew Bruce through the theater company, where Cook's girlfriend performs.

"She was very lively and charming and was an integral part of that theater community," Clark said.

Bruce graduated from the University of Georgia's law school and specialized in family law. She moved to Athens in 1980 from Augusta, where she performed in school and church shows, according to a 2002 profile of her in the Athens Banner-Herald. She taught high school and college before law school.

Athens attorney Ed Tolley said he and Bruce worked on cases together and knew her well.

"She was a wonderful person," Tolley said, "Red-headed, very attractive, very professional, and a wonderful mother."

He said when he heard one of the victims was a lawyer whose husband was a professor, he feared it was Bruce.

"My heart breaks for the children," he said.

Teague wrote on his site: "For over 17 years I've spent most of my weekends (and a lot of evenings) working with a community theater company here in Athens."

Teague, who was married to a longtime University of Georgia professor, also said he had worked providing German to English translation services to business, industry, government and the law since 1972. He said he grew up in East Tennessee and lived in Texas for several years and moved to Athens in 1977.

Before joining the faculty at the University of Georgia, Zinkhan held academic positions at the universities of Houston and Pittsburgh. He has a doctorate from the University of Michigan and graduated from Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania in 1974.

Tom Reichert, a professor at the University of Georgia Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communication, knew Zinkhan from around the campus.

"This is a total shock," Reichert said. "I wouldn't say he was particularly vivacious or particularly quiet. He was right down the middle."
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I don't know about that. It seems to be to underline this issue that you need to have protection. Lats face it he killed three and injured two and had enough time to get away before the police showed up.
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The whole basis for Concealed Carry...on campus or anywhere else, is not that people will never go off the deep end and start shooting. The basis is that in the rare event that something like that happens, you won't have to stand there and be simply a target. You will at least have options for survival not available to the disarmed.

Rather than looking at it as bad for campus carry, maybe it is good demonstration why one SHOULD carry in theatres.

Certainly the anti's will try to flog it to death on their behalf. As was said in DC, "it is too good a crisis to go to waste."
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:iagree:

If he had a CHL then it definitely would have been a hit to campus carry.
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ddurkof wrote:I don't know about that. It seems to be to underline this issue that you need to have protection. Lats face it he killed three and injured two and had enough time to get away before the police showed up.
More importantly, it was a professor. You know, one of the ones supposedly mature enough to argue that the students are too immature to carry guns.
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More importantly, it was a professor. You know, one of the ones supposedly mature enough to argue that the students are too immature to carry guns.
To simply state the obvious: Even professors can become Perps, and when they do, those who have been trained and licensed to defend themselves, need to have the ability to do so. Guns don't kill, people do, and history has repeatedly shown that offenders can come from any walk of life, be it a professor, doctor, law enforcement....any. The issue is not who may offend, but who can defend.
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Why is it that every time some nut job goes and shoots someone we all sit around wringing our hands and crying "oh no, this doesn't look good for the 2d A," and all that?

No one seems to voice the same concerns when some nut job goes and writes a bunch of vile invective and hatred that is calculated to stir up hatred. No, we just comdemn the actor and the message rather than the medium.

And make no mistake, the guy was off before the murders. No one ever "just snaps" and murders three people. I wish the idiots in the MSM would get that through their heads.
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bdickens wrote: And make no mistake, the guy was off before the murders. No one ever "just snaps" and murders three people. I wish the idiots in the MSM would get that through their heads.
I agree!! This guy had to have shown many signs before this happen, just like all the of rest that do these kind of things. They don't wake up one morning and say I think I'll be a psychopath today and shoot people. I am sure there were many warning signs leading up to this that everyone just ignored. We need to be more involved with people, we have became a totally detached society and every one for themselves. He needed help and someone should have taken the time to notice and be a friend. Get them help before it is to late.

Please don't misunderstand, I am not taking up for a killer, but I know this didn't just happen out of the clear blue!

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ErnieP wrote:...The issue is not who may offend, but who can defend.
Well put! :thumbs2:
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I have worked with many professors over the years, and most are very nice people. But almost all of them are very liberal and have a very elitist attitude. After all they have PhDs (Piled Higher and Deeper). Many, if not most, Criminal Justice Professors have never worked the streets as a police officer. They are an interesting group.
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There is a possibility that the killer is on his way to Texas since he has Austin relatives.

His vehicle is a red 2005 Jeep Liberty, Georgia license plate AIX-1376.
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The "suspected" killer was found dead and buried near his home in Georgia yesterday. Police are saying that he buried himself. :shock:

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I saw that on the news last night....weird, very, very weird. I don't think I have ever heard of someone burying themselves before committing sucide. Of course, he must have had a reason, but what....I don't know. :headscratch

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It is something new under the sun.

People have tried to make suicide look like an accident or homicide so that their heirs could collect more insurance. Maybe that is the case here, since he spared his children from his murderous rage.

People also try to disguise suicide to avoid the shame associated with the act, though after having committed mass murder, he didn't have much of a reputation to preserve.

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What makes it so strange to me is the fact that he didn't commit mass murder in a fit of rage or he would killed the kids and himself right there. It seems he had some kind of a calculated plan of escape, but it sure was strange the way it ended up. Just when you think we have seen it all here comes another weird twist in these perilous days.

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