Carding

[Embalmo]

Guys,

I'm new, so I'm sorry if this topic has been beaten into the ground. Has anyone ever been "carded"? What I mean is not by law enforcement in a traffic stop, but by employers, business owners, church staff members, or law enforcement outside the confines of an arrest, or traffic stop; as a result of their gun "printing", showing, or a slip of the tongue.

For example, I did my "Walk" at church today, and there are about 6 uniformed officers on site, and are always walking around the church. My church permits concealed carry, and is filled with CHLers, but I'm curious about a scenario where they might notice "printing". Would they take me to a corner and card me? I know, in the real world, concealed hand guns are seldomly seen, but I'm curious.

Embalmo

[Keith B]

Guys,

I'm new, so I'm sorry if this topic has been beaten into the ground. Has anyone ever been "carded"? What I mean is not by law enforcement in a traffic stop, but by employers, business owners, church staff members, or law enforcement outside the confines of an arrest, or traffic stop; as a result of their gun "printing", showing, or a slip of the tongue.

For example, I did my "Walk" at church today, and there are about 6 uniformed officers on site, and are always walking around the church. My church permits concealed carry, and is filled with CHLers, but I'm curious about a scenario where they might notice "printing". Would they take me to a corner and card me? I know, in the real world, concealed hand guns are seldomly seen, but I'm curious.

Embalmo

You would not be legally required to show them your CHL unless they were a police officer and asked for ID. However, you could be advised by a person in charge that they did not allow you to carry a concealed weapon there. That would be legal notification and you would have to leave with your handgun.

[HankB]

To answer your question, no, I've never been "carded."

Keith B is correct about being "given notice" assuming the person has the presumed authority to actually give notice. And if given lawful notice, I WILL leave the premesis, as the law requires.

Would they take me to a corner and card me?

Nobody is taking me anywhere, and I would never show the "card" to anyone, UNLESS they show me they're sworn law enforcement first.

[snorri]

Only in bars, airports, and establishing eligibility to work for a new employer.

[AEA]

PRINTING is NOT against the law!
Unintentional failure to conceal is NOT against the law!

INTENTIONAL failure to conceal IS against the law!

If a LEO ask you for identification, you must present your CHL and DL in Texas. After that there is nothing more you need to say. Just follow the LEO's instructions.

If he arrests you for "Printing" you can get a good lawyer and sue the PD for lots of money and buy better clothes to prevent printing.

[sss]

I can't see any situation at all where you could expect to be "carded" by someone other than law enforcement. Concealed Carry means just that, and I try not to run my mouth about carrying unless I know that those around me share the same opinion.

[LostInAustin]

Good post AEA....thx.

[JJVP]

If he arrests you for "Printing" you can get a good lawyer and sue the PD for lots of money and buy better clothes to prevent printing.

I thought it was the other way around. If you don't want to print you need crappy clothing.

[AEA]

[surprise_i'm_armed]

Embalmo:

Concealed means concealed.

If you think you are printing you have 2 options:

1. Buy a bigger shirt
2. Buy a smaller gun.

SIA

[Embalmo]

Guys,

Perhaps I phrased it improperly. I know that only a police officer can "legally" "card" you and I know that "printing" isn't illegal. What I want to know is if anyone ever, in a real life experience, been asked to verify his CHL status outside the confines of an arrest or traffic stop.

[BrianSW99]

I haven't gone yet since receiving my CHL but I know others have had to show their card to non-leos to get into the State Fair.

I can't think of any other examples but conceivably there could be other places that use metal detectors that still allow chl carry and would require showing the license.

Also, buying a gun requires showing the chl to skip the background check.

[Mithras61]

Guys,

Perhaps I phrased it improperly. I know that only a police officer can "legally" "card" you and I know that "printing" isn't illegal. What I want to know is if anyone ever, in a real life experience, been asked to verify his CHL status outside the confines of an arrest or traffic stop.

I've been asked. My response was that it wasn't anymore of his business than the color if his underwear was my business. He didn't like my response, but I didn't like his nosy question.


And no, he wasn't a LEO...

[joe817]

I've been asked. My response was that it wasn't anymore of his business than the color if his underwear was my business. He didn't like my response, but I didn't like his nosy question. And no, he wasn't a LEO...

Good answer! It is no one's business ! (except LEO of course)

[G.A. Heath]

I have had to present my CHL a number of times outside of a traffic stop, but each time has been to a LEO for official reasons. I have also presented my CHL quite a few times to NON-LEOs but each time I have taken another gun home.

In my position in management where I work I often see people who are carrying concealed if you know what to look for. When I see someone carrying concealed I immediately run a more detailed threat assessment on them. I look at their style of dress: professional, casual, hippie(I have seen this one time actually), gangsta, ect. I also look at their mannerisms, who they are with, what they doing, how they are acting, and so forth. Out of every time I have seen someone carrying I have never approached them about it, and only once did I ever do anything about it. That time it was a fifteen or sixteen year old kid who we had caught shoplifting in the past and had the local PD serve a criminal trespass warning to. He came in, I observed the poorly concealed weapon and called the local PD, and explained he was prohibited from the store and had what appeared to be a handgun tucked in the front of his waistband. Upon their arrival he was arrested for criminal trespass and their search found an old all metal pellet gun that looked identical to a Browning Hi-Power.

Now for the comment about getting different clothes or gun because of printing try a different holster and/or belt first, my experience shows that when I print it is because I am wearing a regular belt, or using a poorly made holster.