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Carrying a Gun in NY

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I will be going to NY soon and called ahead to the AG's office to ask about carrying my gun under the LEOPA of 04 (HR218), and any special restrictions.

The AG Executive Office transferred me to the Fraud Division. The Fraud Division transferred me to the NY State Government Directory Operator, she tranferred me to the State Police, who transferred me to the NY CHL Office. I spoke to a very nice lady there who stated the gun just had to be concealed, but there were no specific places I was banned from (park, govt building, etc...).

As a side not she asked, "You're not going into NY City are you?" I told her I wasn't leaving the island of Manhatten, and she said, "OH, let me give you the number to the NYC Concealed Handgun Office, as you will have to deal with them." :roll:

We had a short discussion about how NYC and NY are two seperate states and how NYC pretty much does their own thing.

I called the NYC Concealed Handgun Office and was transferred to a Criminal Attorney for the office named Jennifer Lee. Ms. Lee was very nice, (and sounded quite cute by the way) but had not heard of HR 218, and she said I caught her at a bad time. A bad time?

She then informed me it was her first week on the job, but if I gave her my cell number she would check with her supervisor and call me back. :roll: (Yeah, sure, I'll hold my breath.)

In 15 minutes my phone was ringing and it was Ms. Lee. She said I could carry the gun anywhere as long as it was concealed. The exception she said was that a private property owner could keep me from coming on property with a gun. She then said a mouth full...."But if your gun is concealed, I don't see how the property owner would know you have a gun." :lol:

I will report back and see how this goes, of course if I do everything right, I will not have to let anyone know I'm carrying. The only problems I can see coming up are the museums, Empire State Building, etc.

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your experience sounds much more pleasant than the horror stories I've read on PDO.

If you stay concealed you shouldn't have any headaches at all. One thing to watch would be flying in and out of NY. I've heard this can be tricky at best as there is no way to "conceal" when you checkin. A well placed phone call may save you some time in long run, not sure to who though.

Have a great trip!

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I will say, and I know this is no help for non-LEO's, but every cop I've talked to in NYC has felt like a "guy on the job" in Texas, is just like them.

I stopped to ask directions of a city cop and ID myself so he would not think I was a whacko coming up on him. He called some of his buddies over to meet "...this Texas cop." Very nice guys. I think they thought I patrolled on a horse or something.

We went to a bar with some of them, and they almost fell off their stools when I pulled out my Emerson. :shock: They said it was a 23rd Degree Felony for someone to have one. (Exageration I know, but it seems like in NY, if it's not a traffic ticket, it's a felony.)

I am sure my experiences would not have been the same if I were not a cop.

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I understand the whole carrying under L.E. credentials and protection of HR218...

But of course the horror stories on that "other" forum would make me believe you'd be having some problems at the airport...But then again that may have to do more where you fly in and out of in New York State...

If it were me I'd try to get the "straight" story from a local L.E.O. and see what they do when and if they fly in and out of there (and decide to pack a firearm in their checked luggage), and what they do to make the process smooth and without making a big deal out of it...

I also figure you're not going up there on Law Enforcement business, more of a vacation, I assume...

It may rub me wrong a little bit, but I do think commisioned law officers should be allowed to carry 24/7/365...And anywhere they are actually allowed to do so, with only a notification to some authority in that local jusrisdiction they are visiting...I consider that a courtesy and respect to that jurisdiction...And nobody should have a problem with that...

But who knows, thats just my opinion...

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Do stay clear of government buildings and parks, they can still restrict carry there.
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Baytown wrote:I am sure my experiences would not have been the same if I were not a cop.

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It would be a great day, when the same courtesies and attitudes would be extended "gratefully" to all citizens...

We're not all gun-toting, unstable, whacko wannabees... :lol:
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Baytown wrote:I think they thought I patrolled on a horse or something.
You know it's so funny how in the northeast they think of themselves as so educated and sophisticated and really believe stuff like that.
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gigag04, what was the board were LEO's talked about their problems?

stevie, yes it is vacation, no LE action planned. :lol: And I try to treat citizens with respect, but I can't help but have my guard up, even just a little. But when I meet another cop (or another Mason--off topic) I can let my guard down all the way and not worry one bit. I can't really explain it, but it is just one of those things that just is. :?

dolanp, you are correct that they can restrict there, that is why I called ahead to find out. Acoording to Ms. Lee's super., there is not a restriction.

This whole thing is a new experience for me in that I have not, by law, had to worry about concealment and when and where I can not carry a gun in 7 years.

We shall see.

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Baytown wrote:We shall see.

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No offense taken at all...I get nervous too sometimes... :wink:

I'd like to hear how the whole airport thing goes for you...Not that it'll apply to me in any capacity, I am just curious to see what the temperature is towards Law Enforcement (in your capacity) at those places...

Its a learning experience for everyone to hear how it goes...

I got some good stories and experiences from visits to NYC, sometime we'll talk about them...

I'll recommend that you visit Adrienne's Pizza near the corner of Stone and Mill streets in lower M, for a near slice of Heaven... :)

Can't go wrong with that stuff...
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Baytown wrote:gigag04, what was the board were LEO's talked about their problems?

PDO - packing.org/talk had a LEO post up that was flying out of NYC where you have to have a permit for firearms even if you aren't from there. He was traveling for an IDPA/IPSC match. He didn't ID himself as an LEO as a matter of principle, he didn't think he needed to. The checkin lady freaked out called TSA who called over airport police, he was about to get placed under arrest for having a weapon w/o a permit until He said he was also an LEO carrying under HR 218 (I think thats it).

Huge headache, lots of phonecalls, and they finally let him go.
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Isn't that crazy? I think everyone is protected under the Firearm Owner's Protection Act of 1986. It keeps stupid stuff like that from happening.

Where are all the libo whackos screaming about violation of Fed law on that one?

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gigag04 wrote:PDO - packing.org/talk had a LEO post up that was flying out of NYC where you have to have a permit for firearms even if you aren't from there. He was traveling for an IDPA/IPSC match. He didn't ID himself as an LEO as a matter of principle, he didn't think he needed to. The checkin lady freaked out called TSA who called over airport police, he was about to get placed under arrest for having a weapon w/o a permit until He said he was also an LEO carrying under HR 218 (I think thats it).

Huge headache, lots of phonecalls, and they finally let him go.
Sounds like a poorly trained airline employee. TSA would have to call the airport police under the circumstances because they have no jurisdition at the checkin, no involvement until after the passenger has checked in.


Isn't that crazy? I think everyone is protected under the Firearm Owner's Protection Act of 1986. It keeps stupid stuff like that from happening.
Unfortunately, NYCity has managed to prove that FOPA does not apply there. If you are going to fly out of a NYC airport you had better not be traveling with a firearm, period.
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jimlongley,

You wrote, "Unfortunately, NYCity has managed to prove that FOPA does not apply there. If you are going to fly out of a NYC airport you had better not be traveling with a firearm, period."

Please forgive my literal-mindedness, but did they actually somehow prove this legally, or is your statement simply justified bitter sarcasm? I thought the FOPA was a Federal law - did they really manage to "repeal" it in NYC?

Thanks in advance for any clarification you care to provide. It is academic anyway - I have no plans to visit NYC, just curious.

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You technically CAN have one in NYC but it has to be registered via a permit. And you can only own ones you are "permitted" to.



Good thing we're in TX.

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FOPA 'applies' to NY but they are willingly and aggressively ignoring it.
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